# If Donald Trump is involved in ordering a hit on Yovanavitch, that's certainly impeachable right? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 15, 2020, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452 "2020-01-15T14:10:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/81 "2020-01-16T19:29:18Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Necropedo? It’s a little subtle and over clever for that crowd. If one guy says it was over 18 and another disagrees and says he saw the corpse move, that’s the end of that. Over 16 in Alabama. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/82 "2020-01-16T20:23:27Z")
In related news, Hyde’s home has been visited by the FBI. He seems to be going with “we were just playing around.” > **[FBI investigators visit Robert Hyde's home and office | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/16/politics/fbi-robert-hyde/index.html)** > > FBI investigators on Thursday visited both the home and business of Connecticut congressional candidate Robert Hyde, who this week was implicated in the Ukraine scandal. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/83 "2020-01-16T21:08:55Z")
“I was drunk, Your Honor!” is a helluva defense. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/84 "2020-01-16T21:34:34Z")
I am fairly, no, make that 100% sure, of at least two things: that Trump was not involved in authorizing a hit on the ambassador, and that if he had been and evidence supported it, the vote would be 100-0 in a Senate impeachment trial to convict him. I know the man is horrible, and some Rep senators along with him, but come on! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/85 "2020-01-16T21:58:10Z")
Oh, ye of much faith… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/86 "2020-01-16T22:02:30Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I have no problem with the idea that Hyde is delusional. But how does that exonerate Parnas? > > If Hyde was a crazy man hatching a delusional plot against an American ambassador, Parnas should have notified somebody in an official capacity. If Hyde was a semi-sane man carrying out an actual plot against an American ambassador, Petras should have notified somebody in an official capacity. Certainly Parnas should have notified someone if either of those were the case. But as to exonerating Parnas, at this point he doesn’t need it, as no plot to kill the ambassador has been established, to say the least. I’m all for theoretical discussions, but isn’t this jumping the gun quite a bit? ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/87 "2020-01-16T22:03:47Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Oh, ye of much faith… 😉 🙂 But I must say, I’m not basing it on faith. Just common sense, at least to me… ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/88 "2020-01-16T22:07:45Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > I am fairly, no, make that 100% sure, of at least two things: that Trump was not involved in authorizing a hit on the ambassador, and that if he had been and evidence supported it, the vote would be 100-0 in a Senate impeachment trial to convict him. I know the man is horrible, and some Rep senators along with him, but come on! “Come on!” in this case meaning that we know the contours of dts mind, and it’s ok in there? He is a child. He doesn’t hold to any moral values that we have seen and he is playing with fire around our enemies and treasonous gestures, to see where they lead him, and us. Murder is not minor but not a far cry at all. It is less of a crime really. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/89 "2020-01-16T22:12:37Z")
dt is widely quoted as saying what’s the big deal about political murder. (Lester Holt?) He hasn’t been quoted on the converse of that statement. So there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/90 "2020-01-16T22:33:11Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > OK, thanks. > > Anyhow, if it becomes a thing that Trump ordered a hit on a US ambassador, he’d be yanked out of office pronto. It would make Watergate look like nothing in comparison. Unless there is actual video of him ordering it in clear, unambiguous language, the Republicans would absolutely let it slide. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/91 "2020-01-16T23:34:26Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Unless there is actual video of him ordering it in clear, unambiguous language, the Republicans would absolutely let it slide. And even then I wouldn’t bet my house on them. Hell, I wouldn’t even bet $20. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/92 "2020-01-17T01:00:00Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > I am fairly, no, make that 100% sure, of at least two things: that Trump was not involved in authorizing a hit on the ambassador, and that if he had been and evidence supported it, the vote would be 100-0 in a Senate impeachment trial to convict him. I know the man is horrible, and some Rep senators along with him, but come on! I cannot quite get to 0% chance. But I think the odds that he directly ordered a hit is likely very small. It is a bit sad that the office of the president has been sullied to the degree that it isn’t 0%. It really ought to be 0%. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/93 "2020-01-17T01:27:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **Velocity** > OK, thanks. > > Anyhow, if it becomes a thing that Trump ordered a hit on a US ambassador, he’d be yanked out of office pronto. It would make Watergate look like nothing in comparison. > [@RickJay](#): > > Unless there is actual video of him ordering it in clear, unambiguous language, the Republicans would absolutely let it slide. I’m going to have to disagree with you there **RickJay**. Some of the moderate Republicans like Romney or Collins would let it slide. Most of the Republicans would cheer Trump on, and say that she deserved to die. Fox News would smear her. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/94 "2020-01-17T01:36:35Z")
It would not shock me to know that Trump was part of a plot to have her killed. I mean, she was rushed out of the Country because her safety was threatened, wasn’t she? Does she really have so many enemies? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/95 "2020-01-17T03:08:51Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > It would not shock me to know that Trump was part of a plot to have her killed. I mean, she was rushed out of the Country because her safety was threatened, wasn’t she? > > Does she really have so many enemies? “See? Trump didn’t _want_ her to be killed, he just wanted her to _think_ she was going to be killed, so they’d have an excuse to get her out of the country! She should be thanking him for being so concerned about her safety, No more BENGAAAAAAAZHIIIIIIIIISSSSSS! Libtard.” ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/96 "2020-01-17T03:14:52Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > I cannot quite get to 0% chance. But I think the odds that he directly ordered a hit is likely very small. It is a bit sad that the office of the president has been sullied to the degree that it isn’t 0%. It really ought to be 0%. Yes - this is the sad thing, the thought should really rank up there on the ridiculosity scale with “Obama is a secret muslem born in Kenya” - that it doesn’t really only goes to show what a disaster Trump is ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/97 "2020-01-17T03:36:40Z")
So dt wouldn’t kill someone? He just did, to break in the new (election) year. Go back to dt and stephanopoulos in the oval office. He wouldn’t initiate it, but he has got himself some friends who are not him. He would spend lives to stay in office or out of jail. Could anyone doubt that? You know his base are voting for him based on this belief so it might not even matter. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/98 "2020-01-17T03:50:56Z")
My personal opinion is that Trump wouldn’t have ordered somebody to kill Yovanavitch. Trump gives the impression of being somebody who expects those kinds of things to be handled for him without his having to bother about it. Like how his meals appear in front of him or how his clothes get washed or how the federal budget is prepared. He just assumes some nameless people somewhere are taking care of these things. Trump only puts his own efforts into important things like summit meetings with dictators, cheating at golf, and posting tweets. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/99 "2020-01-17T04:54:08Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > So dt wouldn’t kill someone? He just did, to break in the new (election) year. That was only some raghead. They don’t matter; they’re prime targets. Just get the right one. Or if you get the wrong one, claim it was the right one. What a YUGE victory! 🆒 > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > My personal opinion is that Trump wouldn’t have ordered somebody to kill Yovanavitch. Trump gives the impression of being somebody who expects those kinds of things to be handled for him without his having to bother about it. Like how his meals appear in front of him or how his clothes get washed or how the federal budget is prepared. He just assumes some nameless people somewhere are taking care of these things. IOW it’s White Privilege on steroids or maybe Self-Proclaimed Zillionaire Privilege. The “little people” are only there to serve and/or pay and/or fellate the Big Man, and they had better instinctively know what’s expected. Do not disappoint The Don. > [@](#): > > Trump only puts his own efforts into important things like summit meetings with dictators, cheating at golf, and posting tweets. You omitted stealing his (undocumented) wait-staff’s tips. ---
**Author:** ![Kevbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e47774/32.png) [@Kevbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kevbo)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/100 "2020-01-17T12:37:55Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Hyde does look pretty unstable. But Lev Parnas was communicating with Hyde and was aware enough of what Hyde was saying to respond to him even after Hyde outlined his plans. > > If Hyde was some lone nut who started this all on his own, Parnas should have contacted the State Department and told them there was a crazy man stalking Yovanovitch. Well for some reason Yavonovitch WAS warned by the State Department that she was in danger…told to get her ass on the next flight home in fact. So maybe not Parnas, but somebody with some ethics or conscience caught wind of something. Also, I strongly suspect Hyde is a nutter, and was MSU. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452.md?page=6)