# If Donald Trump is involved in ordering a hit on Yovanavitch, that's certainly impeachable right? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 15, 2020, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452 "2020-01-15T14:10:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/121 "2020-01-25T18:03:19Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > To be fair, your average person is going to be like “Howdafu\*k does giving Ukraine a load of money protect US national security?” > > Schiff missed a few points there in his presentation. He should have pointed out that the power of the purse is with Congress and that it’s Congress who gets to decide where the money goes. No Trump supporting MAGAt was listening to a single word Schiff was saying. Schiff may as well have been reciting the winning lottery numbers for all of next week and they still would tune him out completely in lieu of the nightly Trump Cult holy worship services lead by Hannity and Pirro. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/122 "2020-01-25T18:40:50Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > To be fair, your average person is going to be like “Howdafu\*k does giving Ukraine a load of money protect US national security?” > > Schiff missed a few points there in his presentation. He should have pointed out that the power of the purse is with Congress and that it’s Congress who gets to decide where the money goes. Ukraine is our ally, Russia is our enemy, led by a dictator who has no problem killing people who criticize him or oppose him. (In fact, in 2006, the Duma passed a little-noticed law that gives the president of Russia the option of executing enemies of Russia on foreign soil. He does not have to explain to anyone or any governing body the decisions he makes or notify anyone of these executions. Alexander Litvinenko was promptly murdered in London.) Trump worships Putin. Putin invaded Ukraine. Assisting one of our allies to thwart the advance of a dictator is just basic allyship. If it prevents Putin from gaining more power, the world is a better place. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/123 "2020-01-25T18:41:56Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Think for a moment about not only what the US Senate, but also the millions of voters who actively support them and also those who just don’t care one way or another, are saying: It’s okay to use taxpayer funds allocated for diplomacy and national security interests as a political battering ram against a political rival. This country is saying, “_That’s okay. No problem. None of our concern. I guess they all do it, right?_” > > Let it sink in. Yeah, a bunch of Americans were saying the same things in the 1930s. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/124 "2020-01-25T18:47:00Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > No Trump supporting MAGAt was listening to a single word Schiff was saying. Schiff may as well have been reciting the winning lottery numbers for all of next week and they still would tune him out completely in lieu of the nightly Trump Cult holy worship services lead by Hannity and Pirro. Fair point. ---
**Author:** ![Kimera757](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimera757/32/3765_2.png) [@Kimera757](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimera757)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/125 "2020-01-25T18:47:11Z")
> [@bump](#): > > I would think that definitive proof of a hit ordered on Yovanovitch at Trump’s order or with his assent would fall under the umbrella of attempted murder- she’s an American citizen and as such, should have any issues handled through the justice system, not through extrajudicial means. Senators supporting Trump would say “you don’t win a Nobel Prize for _attempted_ chemistry”. They’re putting everything on victory in November. If they win, they’re home free for the next four years (unless the Democrats somehow get a supermajority in the Senate while losing the Presidency). If they lose, well, there’s going to be a massive problem for them. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/126 "2020-01-26T04:46:14Z")
I was never able to find the recording on ABC, of Parnas and friends. Here’s one in Washington Examiner: > **[WATCH: Trump tells Giuliani associates to 'get rid' of Ukraine ambassador...](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/watch-trump-tells-giuliani-associates-to-get-rid-of-ukraine-ambassador-during-private-dinner)** > > President Trump can be heard calling for the firing of former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch in footage from a private dinner that was attended by two associates of Rudy Giuliani. Personal takeaways: 1. One year and some change into his Presidency, and the matter of Ukraine vs. Russia being an eensy weensy bit relevant to much of his campaign and rhetoric, Trump appears to have no knowledge of the situation in Ukraine. 2. For Trump, oil = money opportunity. My assumption is that he immediately forgot everything but that one fact about Ukraine as soon as he left the building, same as every other time in the previous year that people tried to teach him about the place. Which, again, obviously failed, ergo point #1. 3. These guys know exactly what to say, blending truth and fiction, and blatant ass-kissing to take advantage of Trump. They lure him with oil, they goad him with Clinton, and they loft him with tales of Putin fearing him. This is what the Republican party likes about Trump. He’s easy to understand and easy to control. At least, that’s been the case so far. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/127 "2020-01-26T10:42:13Z")
Nitpick: I like language to be very precise here at SDMB; it increases clarity and avoids confusions. I don’t even like acronyms unless they’re _very_ well known. Thus my disappointment that the slang term “hit” is used in this thread almost to the exclusion of more meaningful words like “execution” or “murder.” If nothing else, insistence on the slang term is just silly. _ **And “hit” doesn’t always mean murder.** _ UIAM in the news business, a “hit job” is not a murder — it’s a concentrated effort to slur in print media. “Hit” has other slang meanings as well. IIRC the allegedly incriminating language from the alleged potential “hitters” was also ambiguous. Let’s not compound the confusion. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/128 "2020-01-26T12:19:20Z")
He thinks he is Vito Corleone but he’s actually Fredo . ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/129 "2020-01-26T12:51:36Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Nitpick: I like language to be very precise here at SDMB; it increases clarity and avoids confusions. I don’t even like acronyms unless they’re _very_ well known. > > Thus my disappointment that the slang term “hit” is used in this thread almost to the exclusion of more meaningful words like “execution” or “murder.” If nothing else, insistence on the slang term is just silly. _ **And “hit” doesn’t always mean murder.** _ UIAM in the news business, a “hit job” is not a murder — it’s a concentrated effort to slur in print media. “Hit” has other slang meanings as well. > > IIRC the allegedly incriminating language from the alleged potential “hitters” was also ambiguous. Let’s not compound the confusion. UIAM? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/130 "2020-01-26T13:42:59Z")
Unless I Am Mistaken… got it from context. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/131 "2020-01-26T14:03:00Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Nitpick: I like language to be very precise here at SDMB; it increases clarity and avoids confusions. I don’t even like acronyms unless they’re _very_ well known…UIAM C’mon, this _had_ to be intentional, right? WWNNK… (Wink, Wink, Nudge, Nudge, KnowwhatImean?) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2020, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452/132 "2020-01-26T15:06:00Z")
:o Sorry. UIAM is one of those acronyms that confounded me at first … but I thought it was already ubiquitous here at SDMB! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-donald-trump-is-involved-in-ordering-a-hit-on-yovanavitch-thats-certainly-impeachable-right/846452.md?page=6)