# If Epstein information and testimony directly implicates Trump, what happens? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 10, 2019, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850 "2019-07-10T17:47:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/41 "2019-07-12T21:20:13Z")
Ran across an interesting theory that Pizzagate was a preemptive fake scandal to make the Epstein scandal less credible when it inevitably broke. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/42 "2019-07-12T21:35:14Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > As I said in a thread last month: > > Short of being caught on video handing Putin $100 billion in cash along with the nuclear launch codes, while simultaneously sucking the man’s dick and signing a notarized affidavit stating he knew all along evangelical Christians were idiots who would fall for his bullshit, no scandal is going to bring him down. _ **DJT:** _ “Deepfake! Definitely not me in the video! So obvious. I never even met Vladimir Putin!” _ **50+ million people:** _ “Duhhhhhhhh okay!” ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/43 "2019-07-12T21:46:37Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > Saw a really great thread on Twitter taking the known facts about Jeffrey Epstein and following the money. > > [https://twitter.com/quantian1/status/1148303671857491968?s=09](https://twitter.com/quantian1/status/1148303671857491968?s=09) > > The gist is that he is a pimp for underage girls which he used to produce blackmail material and his investment business was way of getting huge payoffs without attracting the attention of the IRS. I’ve been posting about Epstein’s probable financial crimes over in the Pit thread. Here’s a really good article. I’ve dropped some other good links in the Pit thread if anyone’s interested. > **[How Jeffrey Epstein Made His Money: Four Wild Theories](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/how-did-jeffrey-epstein-make-his-fortune.html)** > > The source of Jeffrey Epstein’s wealth is a mystery, but unproven theories on how his made his millions – from blackmail to money-laundering – abound. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/44 "2019-07-12T21:55:46Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I’ve been posting about Epstein’s probable financial crimes over in the Pit thread. Here’s a really good article. I’ve dropped some other good links in the Pit thread if anyone’s interested. > > [How Jeffrey Epstein Made His Money: Four Wild Theories](http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/how-did-jeffrey-epstein-make-his-fortune.html) Cool, thanks for that. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/45 "2019-07-12T22:28:06Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > For those who say absolutely nothing I will point out that Roy Moore lost bright red Alabama to a Democrat when tied to similar allegations. I don’t think that the Republicans would have the stomach to impeach him unless there was irrefutable evidence, but I think even just compelling evidence would torpedo his 2020 election chances. He’d have to be photographed cavorting with a live boy or a dead girl for 1/10 of his base to leave him. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/46 "2019-07-12T22:33:35Z")
I’ve gotta be honest here. I’ve read the lawsuit filed by the woman that claims Trump raped her when she was 13, and I don’t think it rings true. She claimed to have a witness to everything. She claims the witness recruited her at Port Authority Bus terminal and that the witness, known as Tiffany Doe (yes, really) witnessed single every moment of every sexual encounter she had with Trump and Epstein because that was her job. This does not fit in with hundreds of other womens description of their encounters at the Epstein residence. While Epstein had staff that facilitated his encounters, I don’t think anyone else has alleged that their was a woman that watched everything. And the “recruited at Port Authority” claim seems pretty unique. And she claims that Trump tied her to a bed, forcibly and brutally raped her then physically beat her while she was still tied up. There was very little nuance to her story. Frankly, it reminded me of the witness statement Jacob Wohl’s “Mueller is a rapist” stunt. Now Trump is an asshole with no respect for women and their personal autonomy. I can see him bragging and blustering and wandering through parties kissing women and grabbing boobies and pussies just because he can get away with it and everyone can see him getting away with. I can see him taking some attractive young woman into a bedroom and having sex with her, mostly because everyone will see that he can. I would not be surprised if some of those girls were underaged. I would not be surprised if it were taped. There may be a shoe that will drop. But I would need a lot more than one sketchy lawsuit ( that was dropped) to believe that he restrained and then raped and then beat up a child. A lot more. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/47 "2019-07-12T22:44:47Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **DrDeth** , remember, this is a guy who rejected one girl because her breasts had developed. So, yes, he really is looking for pre-pubescent, and pedophile really is the right word for him. As young as these girls were, they were always teenagers. Words mean things. Or at least they’re supposed to. Teenage=/ prepubescent. He didn’t reject the girl because her breasts had developed, it was because they had developed and grown _too big_. Let’s be accurate, ok? Ugh. The last thing I want to do is sound like I’m in any way defending this fuckwad. But stop calling him pedophile. He’s not one. Pedophiles are specifically attracted to prepubescent children. Epstein is a hebephile. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/48 "2019-07-12T22:45:39Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > For those who say absolutely nothing I will point out that Roy Moore lost bright red Alabama to a Democrat when tied to similar allegations. [According to exit polls](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/alabama-exit-polls/?utm_term=.39b7b335f413), less than 7% of voters said the allegations of sexual misconduct was the single most important factor in their voting. Doug Jones has a very strong track record as a defender of civil rights, which is why 96% of black voters voted for him, _and_ black voters turned out in higher number than other recent elections. And that’s crucial in a state where ~30% of voters are black. And he got more white votes than Obama probably because he himself is white. Even without the sexual misconduct allegations, it would have been a _very_ close race. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/49 "2019-07-12T23:00:47Z")
Hillary was such a bad candidate that she could lose to a guy like Trump with all these stories about him groping women and he even admitted on tape he groped women. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/50 "2019-07-12T23:12:06Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > [According to exit polls](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/alabama-exit-polls/?utm_term=.39b7b335f413), less than 7% of voters said the allegations of sexual misconduct was the single most important factor in their voting. > > Doug Jones has a very strong track record as a defender of civil rights, which is why 96% of black voters voted for him, _and_ black voters turned out in higher number than other recent elections. And that’s crucial in a state where ~30% of voters are black. And he got more white votes than Obama probably because he himself is white. Even without the sexual misconduct allegations, it would have been a _very_ close race. Take a look at the graph on this page: > **[2017 Alabama Senate Special Election - Moore vs. Jones | RealClearPolling](https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/senate/general/2017/alabama/moore-vs-jones-special-election)** > > 2017 Alabama Senate Special Election - Moore vs. Jones | RealClearPolling Looking at that graph, could you perhaps guess when the allegations came out? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2019, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/51 "2019-07-13T02:48:03Z")
Nothing will happen, unless the evidence includes proof that Epstein physically gave Trump large amounts of money or young children, preferably in front of Republican prosecutors. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2019, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/52 "2019-07-13T13:38:17Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Hillary was such a bad candidate that she could lose to a guy like Trump with all these stories about him groping women and he even admitted on tape he groped women. Your observation is as insightful as it is original. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2019, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/53 "2019-07-13T13:58:56Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Take a look at the graph on this page: > > [2017 Alabama Senate Special Election - Moore vs. Jones | RealClearPolling](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2017/senate/al/alabama_senate_special_election_moore_vs_jones-6271.html) > > Looking at that graph, could you perhaps guess when the allegations came out? 😉 It shows even before the allegations came out, Roy Moore was polling much worse than Trump (and Jones better than Hillary). And in the end, the polls only shifted by 4 percentage points. Also note the huge discrepancy between different polls even in the same time period, some polls showed a tie before the allegations came out. Granted, 4 points shift (if real) would have changed the outcome of the election, so I won’t claim it had no effect. I’m just saying the effect is smaller than many people seem to think. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/54 "2019-07-13T14:10:06Z")
It may be, though, that Alabama is less flexible than the nation as a whole, with fewer undecideds in the middle who might be swayed (even by something as extreme as statutory rape). ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/55 "2019-07-13T15:45:28Z")
I think it’s likely Trump paid for an abortion or two. He probably paid hush money for that as well. If that is proven he might lose a few religious voters. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2019, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/56 "2019-07-13T15:48:31Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > I think it’s likely Trump paid for an abortion or two. He probably paid hush money for that as well. If that is proven he might lose a few religious voters. He’s broken 9 of 10 commandments, he embodies all seven Deadly Sins, he’s on his third marriage and who knows how many extra-marital affairs. They’ll find a way to ignore a few abortions. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/57 "2019-07-13T15:58:13Z")
Some hard core pro lifers would not ignore abortions paid by Trump. They would not vote for the Dem , they would probably stay home. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/58 "2019-07-13T16:07:36Z")
I’ll believe when I see it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/59 "2019-07-13T16:08:41Z")
No, because if it happened any longer ago than three days, then he can just say that he repented, and now everything is fine. Heck, he probably wouldn’t even need to say it himself; his apologists would say it for him, even if he (as usual) insists that he doesn’t need to repent of anything because he is and always has been perfect. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850/60 "2019-07-13T18:49:16Z")
If Epstein gives info on Trump to get a lighter sentence and there is no corroborating information, Trump supporters won’t believe him. It’ll be a he said-he said and Epstein was just saying it to get a lighter sentence. And they’d be correct. The guy is a notorious fucking liar and I am not going to pick and choose when he is telling the truth based on my biases. It’ll be interesting if he has real proof. And if he’s really the weasel that he is reputed to be, he does. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-epstein-information-and-testimony-directly-implicates-trump-what-happens/836850.md?page=4)