# If god is all powerful **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2007, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386 "2007-04-09T23:14:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mawrestler\_one25](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/41988e/32.png) [@mawrestler\_one25](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mawrestler_one25)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/1 "2007-04-09T23:14:15Z")
If there is a god (hint hint theres not) and he is in fact all powerful, Can he create a stone which is too big for he himself to lift? If he lifts it then he can not create a stone too big for him to lift. Therefore disproving him “all powerful” If he does create a stone too big for he himself to lift then he is not all powerful. Therefore disproving him “all powerful” Basic logic Deal with it faithful!!! ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/2 "2007-04-09T23:17:31Z")
Holy shit. That just blew my mind. ---
**Author:** ![capybara](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/capybara/32/202_2.png) [@capybara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capybara)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/3 "2007-04-09T23:23:23Z")
My hands! They. . . they can touch anything BUT THEMSELVES. . . oh, wait. . . ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/4 "2007-04-09T23:24:00Z")
[QUOTE=mawrestler\_one25] Basic logic Deal with it faithful!!! [/QUOTE] If flaws in basic logic bothered the faithful, there wouldn’t be so many. They either ignore such problems or redefine the terms. ---
**Author:** ![Ol\_Gaffer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Ol\_Gaffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ol_Gaffer)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/5 "2007-04-09T23:26:06Z")
Wow, the intellectual ferocity of your argument has me stunned… stunned I say. I can’t believe that in 3000 years of debate, not one philosopher has ever come up with such a, hmmm…how should I characterize it, a logical _tour de force_. Bravo man, Bravo. I doff my existential cap in your general direction. ---
**Author:** ![mawrestler\_one25](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/41988e/32.png) [@mawrestler\_one25](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mawrestler_one25)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/6 "2007-04-09T23:26:56Z")
[QUOTE=capybara] My hands! They. . . they can touch anything BUT THEMSELVES. . . oh, wait. . . [/QUOTE] Please explain good sir I dont understand what your getting at. ---
**Author:** ![Scornhole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Scornhole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scornhole)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/7 "2007-04-09T23:29:12Z")
You’re assuming that this god is bound by our laws of physics. What if he/she can both make and lift large stones to infinity? Not that I necessarily believe in such a thing, but just for the sake of argument. ---
**Author:** ![mawrestler\_one25](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/41988e/32.png) [@mawrestler\_one25](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mawrestler_one25)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/8 "2007-04-09T23:32:11Z")
[QUOTE=Scornhole] You’re assuming that this god is bound by our laws of physics. What if he/she can both make and lift large stones to infinity? Not that I necessarily believe in such a thing, but just for the sake of argument. [/QUOTE] If he can do both to infinity then he cant make a stone to large to lift or cant make a stone large enough that he cant lift it. Infinity can’t really exist because at some point you have to pick a number. ---
**Author:** ![ForumBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ee59a6/32.png) [@ForumBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ForumBot)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/9 "2007-04-09T23:33:08Z")
Okay, I pick seven. What now? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/10 "2007-04-09T23:33:53Z")
:smack: I was wrong. It’s _next week_ that we English teachers are supposed to teach punctuation. I thought it was last week. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/11 "2007-04-09T23:34:00Z")
If God is all powerful, can he make a squared circle (other than a wrestling ring)? ---
**Author:** ![mawrestler\_one25](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/41988e/32.png) [@mawrestler\_one25](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mawrestler_one25)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/12 "2007-04-09T23:34:59Z")
[QUOTE=ForumBot] Okay, I pick seven. What now? [/QUOTE] Ok 7 units it is. If 7 units is the highest sized rock he can create and can not lift it then he is not all powerful. If 7 units is the highest sized rock he cal lift and can not create one any larger then he is not all powerful. ---
**Author:** ![ForumBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ee59a6/32.png) [@ForumBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ForumBot)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/13 "2007-04-09T23:36:35Z")
But my god goes to eleven. ---
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/14 "2007-04-09T23:37:06Z")
[QUOTE=mawrestler\_one25] If he can do both to infinity then he cant make a stone to large to lift or cant make a stone large enough that he cant lift it. Infinity can’t really exist because at some point you have to pick a number. [/QUOTE] God is crafty like that; He’ll pick one number, and then - when you aren’t looking - He’ll pick another one. LilShieste ---
**Author:** ![Scornhole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Scornhole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scornhole)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/15 "2007-04-09T23:37:49Z")
[QUOTE=mawrestler\_one25] If he can do both to infinity then he cant make a stone to large to lift or cant make a stone large enough that he cant lift it. Infinity can’t really exist because at some point you have to pick a number. [/QUOTE] …And suddenly 3000 years of philosophy disappears in a puff of smoke. ---
**Author:** ![mawrestler\_one25](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/41988e/32.png) [@mawrestler\_one25](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mawrestler_one25)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/16 "2007-04-09T23:38:10Z")
[QUOTE=Monty] :smack: I was wrong. It’s _next week_ that we English teachers are supposed to teach punctuation. I thought it was last week. [/QUOTE] I am still in high school and let me tell you that teachers do not teach punctuation. Every english teacher I have had sucks and has not taught how to write and spell properly. I apologize for my punctuation and grammer. I realize that it really makes an argument seem much less valid when the writer can not understand the difference between to and too which I now realise I did on a few earlier posts. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/17 "2007-04-09T23:39:02Z")
I do not know about your God, but my god is not all powerful. In fact he is the God of very small nudges and random bad luck. That is to say your arguments are old and silly and worn out. Perhaps you could bring something new and fresh next time. Not that I believe in any all powerful God. ---
**Author:** ![the\_PC\_apeman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@the\_PC\_apeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_PC_apeman)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/18 "2007-04-09T23:43:18Z")
42! (≈1.405x10[sup]51[/sup]) ---
**Author:** ![mawrestler\_one25](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/41988e/32.png) [@mawrestler\_one25](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mawrestler_one25)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/19 "2007-04-09T23:45:43Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] I do not know about your God, but my god is not all powerful. In fact he is the God of very small nudges and random bad luck. That is to say your arguments are old and silly and worn out. Perhaps you could bring something new and fresh next time. Not that I believe in any all powerful God. [/QUOTE] The whole basis of the argument was If god is all powerful … Maybe I didn’t specify, but I was specifically targeting cultures who do beleive in gods having no limit to their power. As for your opinion about my arguments… well that is just an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2007, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386/20 "2007-04-09T23:46:39Z")
[QUOTE= mawrestler\_one25] I apologize for my punctuation and grammer. [/QUOTE] You should apologize for your spelling as well. Then, since an apology is dependent on actually realizing what you’ve done wrong and why it’s wrong, you should learn about logic and then apologize for that as well. The actual question, as posed by St. Thomas Aquinas, was: [Could God make a burrito so hot even HE couldn’t eat it?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-god-is-all-powerful/399386.md?page=2)