# If Greece votes no to EU bailout what will happen? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 1, 2011, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-greece-votes-no-to-eu-bailout-what-will-happen/601473 "2011-11-01T10:35:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-greece-votes-no-to-eu-bailout-what-will-happen/601473/101 "2011-11-09T18:41:26Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > What reforms? Pension reforms for instance. Many nations, including Denmark, have postponed the date and made it more self-financing. An aging population would have made such reforms necessary anyway. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-greece-votes-no-to-eu-bailout-what-will-happen/601473/102 "2011-11-09T18:46:40Z")
Great, they enacted pension reforms. How does that save the euro? ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-greece-votes-no-to-eu-bailout-what-will-happen/601473/103 "2011-11-09T18:59:22Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Great, they enacted pension reforms. How does that save the euro? I didn’t say it did. I said it’d strengthen Europe over time. Which it will. It’ll also help the Euro short term by ensuring investors that Europe has credible long-term plans. More important than one or two years of deficits are the long term prospects. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-greece-votes-no-to-eu-bailout-what-will-happen/601473/104 "2011-11-09T21:24:09Z")
Meanwhile, Greece still doesn’t have a new PM, Italy’s seen it’s bond rates go past 7% and [the Guardian is now reporting that France and Germany are now considering breaking up the Euro zone](http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/09/european-debt-crisis-eurozone-breakup). Well I guess we’re finding out the question posed by the OP a little earlier than expected. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-greece-votes-no-to-eu-bailout-what-will-happen/601473/105 "2011-11-10T08:42:25Z")
oh dear…things are unravelling badly. Of course the response from Angela Merkel is to suggest that, of course, the answer to the troubles is _closer_ European integration. :smack: why yes…that’ll work. Anyhow, does anyone fancy setting up a similar thread to cover the Italian situation? We need the space to give Silvio the treatment he deserves but buried at the end of a 3 page thread on Greece is not the place. I haven’t got the time to give such a a thread the upkeep it deserves but I’d love to get a few digs in at Berlusconi. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-greece-votes-no-to-eu-bailout-what-will-happen/601473/106 "2011-11-10T09:22:05Z")
In a democracy you get the leaders you deserve. Which must mean that the Italians and Berlusconi deserve each other. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-greece-votes-no-to-eu-bailout-what-will-happen/601473.md?page=5)