# If Hillary Clinton wins in an historic landslide...
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [October 21, 2016, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231 "2016-10-21T11:08:29Z")
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### Author:  [@Totenfeier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Totenfeier)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/1 "2016-10-21T11:08:29Z")
…would Trump and/or his followers be more likely, or less likely, to “accept the results?”
Wouldn’t such a “result” leave no room at all for denial? Would “rigging” on such a massive scale seem even remotely possible, even to them? Or - since they are sub-rational anyway - would that just stoke the fires of resentment even higher?
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### Author:  [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/2 "2016-10-21T11:10:39Z")
1. It’s not going to be anything near a historic landslide.
2. No, it wouldn’t change their so-called minds.
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### Author:  [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/3 "2016-10-21T11:20:20Z")
A landslide still isn’t out of the question. The averages say Clinton leads by about 7, but some polls are saying it’s a tie and others give her a double digit lead. If the double digit lead polls are right, she’ll get 400 electoral votes.
I don’t know what Trump supporters will think. A lot will probably just go back to being disaffected voters.
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### Author:  [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/4 "2016-10-21T11:26:41Z")
Every election is historic.
To get a historic landslide, you gotta at least tie the record. 49-1.
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### Author:  [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/5 "2016-10-21T11:44:03Z")
> [@ThisIsTheEnd](#):
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> Every election is historic.
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> To get a historic landslide, you gotta at least tie the record. 49-1.
Hey come on, McGovern carried DC AND Massachusetts! That’s 49-2.
No, Trump and his supporters will not accept the results. Trump is physically incapable of admitting either responsibility or defeat. It will not matter. On Nov 9, Trump becomes persona non grata in Republican circles and his political career will end.
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### Author:  [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/6 "2016-10-21T12:19:38Z")
> [@Totenfeier](#):
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> …would Trump and/or his followers be more likely, or less likely, to “accept the results?”
> Wouldn’t such a “result” leave no room at all for denial? Would “rigging” on such a massive scale seem even remotely possible, even to them? Or - since they are sub-rational anyway - would that just stoke the fires of resentment even higher?
Either way, unless Trump wins, they’ll claim it’s rigged. A large margin will make it only more obvious in their eyes.
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### Author:  [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/7 "2016-10-21T12:49:00Z")
Many of Trumps followers live in a delusional bubble. If Hillary pulls a squeaker, it is because she cheated strategically. If she wins in a landslide, then the entire system is rigged.
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/8 "2016-10-21T12:54:45Z")
> [@adaher](#):
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> A landslide still isn’t out of the question. The averages say Clinton leads by about 7, but some polls are saying it’s a tie and others give her a double digit lead. If the double digit lead polls are right, she’ll get 400 electoral votes.
I was going to say “I don’t think so” but then I looked, and the polls have shown Trump’s margin in Texas to be shockingly small. The three most recent polls suggest a lead of perhaps three points. Obviously, if that is true, than at a national 10-point lead Texas would go blue, and as Georgia would also be blue, that would be well enough to beat 400, since every battleground state is now blue. If Utah goes McMullin the score would be Clinton 412, Trump 120, McMullin 6, or give Clinton one more point is she wins the rogue EV in Nebraska. I am giving Trump Alaska; it won’t matter either way.
But Texas would have to be part of it, because there are few other really large states in the Republican column. IF Trump ekes out Texas it’s hard to find enough plausible EVs even with a Clinton 10-point lead. Most states are extremely polarized. Even if Clinton were to carry, say, Georgia, South Carolina, Missouri, and Alaska, she’s just short if McMullin steals Utah:
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### Author:  [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/9 "2016-10-21T13:54:05Z")
> [@RickJay](#):
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> But Texas would have to be part of it, because there are few other really large states in the Republican column.
I do want to point out something that I can’t recall having happened since I’m an adult; we’re actually seeing presidential political commercials on television for both candidates.
Typically, they consider Texas so locked down that neither side bothers advertising here for presidential elections (so we get even worse local ads in heavy rotation. :mad:)
But this time around, it’s different, and apparently Hillary feels like some hay to be made, and Trump feels like maybe the electorate needs some convincing to vote Republican.
Also, in years past, we’d be buried under a veritable torrent of signs, bumper stickers and other assorted garbage touting the Republican candidate, but this year, they’re really thin on the ground, and not outnumbering the Hillary signs and stickers.
So I’m thinking that this year, Texas is far from a done deal for Trump, if only because of the television and yard sign evidence I’m seeing.
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### Author:  [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/10 "2016-10-21T14:02:28Z")
There can be only one outcome of this election: the US electorate, on behalf of the country and the world, needs to give Don-Don a Trump Tower-sized finger.
And then we can start making sure this clusterf\*ck never happens again. GOP, I’m lookin’ at you. Dems, don’t think you’re innocent, either.
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### Author:  [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/11 "2016-10-21T14:06:55Z")
I’ve even seen Hillary and Trump ads here in _Tennessee_, of all places. One of the Trumpiest Trump towns in the Trumpiverse. Not a lot, mind you, but having any at all is a pretty big deal. I don’t remember seeing presidential adds here since 2000, and that’s only because Al Gore was a favorite son (who lost the state anyway).
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### Author:  [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/12 "2016-10-21T14:10:46Z")
> [@adaher](#):
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> A landslide still isn’t out of the question. The averages say Clinton leads by about 7, but some polls are saying it’s a tie and others give her a double digit lead. If the double digit lead polls are right, she’ll get 400 electoral votes.
Yep. Looking at 538’s Now-Cast model, the chance of Hillary getting more than 400 electoral votes is about the same as Trump getting over 270.
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### Author:  [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/13 "2016-10-21T14:46:50Z")
I don’t think that true followers will believe it’s legitimate no matter what happens. They watch different tv and read different web sites, all which talk about how evil liberals are. Now they have an explainer-in-chief who confirms their worst fears. You also have to remember that Clinton has be vilified as the devil incarnate for the past 25 years and there couldn’t be any rational reason she could beat such a great guy as Trump. The only way is because she cheated.
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### Author:  [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/14 "2016-10-21T14:51:57Z")
Given what FDR, LBJ, Nixon and Reagan have done, in order to be historic, it would have to be a 50-state sweep.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/15 "2016-10-21T15:09:28Z")
> [@Skammer](#):
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> I’ve even seen Hillary and Trump ads here in _Tennessee_, of all places. One of the Trumpiest Trump towns in the Trumpiverse. Not a lot, mind you, but having any at all is a pretty big deal. I don’t remember seeing presidential adds here since 2000, and that’s only because Al Gore was a favorite son (who lost the state anyway).
Yeah, but only because the election was rigged.
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### Author:  [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/16 "2016-10-21T19:10:56Z")
> [@Velocity](#):
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> Given what FDR, LBJ, Nixon and Reagan have done, in order to be historic, it would have to be a 50-state sweep.
What about popular vote totals? FDR, Johnson and Nixon broke 60%. Any chance of that for Hillary?
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### Author:  [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/17 "2016-10-21T19:13:22Z")
> [@DrCube](#):
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> What about popular vote totals? FDR, Johnson and Nixon broke 60%. Any chance of that for Hillary?
Certainly more possible than 50 states. But with Stein, Johnson etc. in the mix, I’d be surprised if she exceeds 58%.
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/18 "2016-10-21T19:18:04Z")
What the country needs more than anything right now is for the extreme right wing to discredit itself so badly that it can no longer reconcile what they support and endorse political with their sense of moral self. Unfortunately, I don’t think we’re at that point yet.
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### Author:  [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/19 "2016-10-21T19:25:06Z")
There’s no chance of an “historic” landslide. Hillary will win very comfortably, but not by nearly as much as Nixon won in 1972 or Reagan won in 1980. I figure Trump will lose about as badly as, say, John McCain did.
There will be NO rational, sane way to argue that the election was stolen. But a few of Trump’s biggest fans aren’t basing their expectations on reason. SOME of them are thinking, “Trump HAS to be winning, because EVERYBODY I know s voting for him, and every Trump rally I’ve been to has been packed.”
Those people may still believe the election was rigged, because they’ve been living in an echo chamber.
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-clinton-wins-in-an-historic-landslide/769231/20 "2016-10-21T19:25:35Z")
> [@bump](#):
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> But this time around, it’s different, and apparently Hillary feels like some hay to be made, and Trump feels like maybe the electorate needs some convincing to vote Republican.
I think there’s three possible explanations:
1. Clinton thinks she can win Texas,
2. Clinton has a bigger war chest and forcing Trump to defend Texas simply drains him of money he needs to fight states he really needs to win, like Ohio and Florida, and
3. Pumping Clinton can help win downballot elections. Getting out the Clinton vote, even if she loses, could help win other races.
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