# If Hillary ran against Trump again, you'd stay home? Please explain **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 31, 2024, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335 "2024-05-31T15:26:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/201 "2024-06-03T17:53:03Z")
_First–I have **hated** what Trump stands for, since **before I saw** Trump._ Ms Clinton was very good Secretary Of State, and might have been a good President. But she was a lousy Candidate. Chatter about Foreign Policy, in an election where people were pressing her about Domestic Policy, skipping Wisconsin, using questionable means to block Sanders– **bad optics**. Perhaps she could have **addressed** Sanders’ policies? Or engaged the idea that Infrastructure would be addressed? ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/202 "2024-06-03T18:14:36Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And feminism is one of the reasons why I didn’t want her elected, because if she had been, the message it sent would have been “Women can do anything, if they just marry the right man”. I kind of think just the opposite. I wonder if Bill could have gotten as far without her. He seems to have a problem with impulse control and focusing. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/203 "2024-06-03T18:14:42Z")
She wasn’t very good at making people feel that she heard and understood their issues. Some other politician–I can’t remember who 🙂 – seemed believable when he said “I feel your pain”. Hillary didn’t have that ability. Hillary struck me as having a more condescending attitude of “Why are you bothering me with this stuff?”. Her answers seemed more in line with saying something to placate people in order to be able to move on. It’s kind of like when a manger asks for feedback on issues in the workplace. You can tell when a manager really cares about the responses versus they are just asking because it’s something to tick off on a corporate to-do list. As far as women politicians go, I think it would have been better for someone like Elizabeth Warren to have been the candidate. Certainly she’s not going to appeal to all voters, but she’s charismatic and it’s clear she actually cares about the people she represents. She works hard to make their lives better. I feel she’s a politician because that’s how she feels she can best help people. I feel Hillary wants to be a politician because she wants to have the respect and power that comes from being a politician. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/204 "2024-06-03T18:16:45Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > skipping Wisconsin Dumb and debunked. And dumb. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/205 "2024-06-03T18:28:38Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > As far as women politicians go, I think it would have been better for someone like Elizabeth Warren to have been the candidate. Certainly she’s not going to appeal to all voters, but she’s charismatic and it’s clear she actually cares about the people she represents. She works hard to make their lives better. I feel she’s a politician because that’s how she feels she can best help people. I feel Hillary wants to be a politician because she wants to have the respect and power that comes from being a politician. The problem I keep finding when trying to discuss the campaigning of a female politician (especially a Democrat or otherwise left-affiliated) is that her defenders often go first to the “sexism” (or even stronger) defense. Which of course you can’t do with a male politician. So when I say that I didn’t like the way Hillary Clinton campaigned in 2008 or 2016, the rather tired “you’re just a misogynist” reply happens at least once. Similarly, if I say that I didn’t see anything I liked about Harris or her campaign in 2020 and that I think she’d be a poor candidate yet again some responses of “sexism” as well as “racism” come in, or if the person is really very online, something like “misogynoir”. There are lots of people who would probably make an okay politician, even an okay president. Doesn’t mean I want them to represent me or that I think they deserve the seat they’re running for. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/206 "2024-06-03T18:28:39Z")
How charming you are! Please come over to my place, & bring your personality with you, I need to curdle some milk, yes ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/207 "2024-06-03T18:45:36Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > There are lots of people who would probably make an okay politician, even an okay president. Doesn’t mean I want them to represent me or that I think they deserve the seat they’re running for. I can’t think of a female politician that I think would be great to run in 2028 but I’m not a sexist because I can’t think of a male politician either off the top of my head. I hope someone does show up though either way. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/208 "2024-06-03T18:53:16Z")
> [@Tfletch1](#): > > I kind of think just the opposite. I wonder if Bill could have gotten as far without her. He seems to have a problem with impulse control and focusing. Then why did he go first? Why did she wait until he retired before running for office? How could she be the nation’s first choice when she wasn’t the first choice in her own house? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/209 "2024-06-03T19:55:11Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > Perhaps she could have **addressed** Sanders’ policies? Bernie can go fuck himself. People talk about Hillary being a carpetbagger, and this asshole pointedly declares that he is NOT A DEMOCRAT unless he wants a bigger job, then he says I’M A DEMOCRAT and gets his set of whiny fanbois to complain that THE DEMOCRAT MACHINE IS AGAINST BERNIE. Fuck all their asses. Bernie is not and never has been a Democrat, and no Democrat should have to explain why they told him to pack up his fucking shinebox and go home when he wanted to be the Democrat candidate for President. Want to be the Democrat nominee? Be A Democrat. Thanks Bernie, for creating another bullshit “controversy” that helped Trump get elected. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/210 "2024-06-03T20:11:21Z")
He’s a better Democrat than most of the caucus. And considering his platform was popular, perhaps the useless DNC should have incorporated it. Instead of this Clintonian Third Way neoliberal bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/211 "2024-06-14T16:45:14Z")
5 posts were merged into an existing topic: [ChuckTaylor Trocking posts](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chucktaylor-trocking-posts/1002881/8) ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/213 "2024-06-03T21:09:32Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1002881/8): > > It does give an appearance of bias among those that act wildly supportive of him but not her. Biden has very similar problems. Almost all of us supported her and voted for her but thought that she made tactical mistakes. Not a single one of us is widely supportive of Biden but not her. Where are you seeing this? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/214 "2024-06-03T21:11:09Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1002881/9): > > I think a lot of people have grown weary of his attempt at folksiness. Yeah, he should really get out of the spotlight with that! ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/215 "2024-06-03T21:29:44Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Then why did he go first? Why did she wait until he retired before running for office? > > How could she be the nation’s first choice when she wasn’t the first choice in her own house? You’re right. Woman had just as many opportunities in the 70’s as men. Especially in the South. 🙄 Which wasn’t what I was getting at. My point was, if Bill wasn’t married to someone as smart and focused as Hillary, would he have been as successful. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/216 "2024-06-03T21:33:54Z")
She was clearly a big part of his success. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/217 "2024-06-03T21:44:29Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > As far as women politicians go, I think it would have been better for someone like Elizabeth Warren to have been the candidate. Certainly she’s not going to appeal to all voters, but she’s charismatic and it’s clear she actually cares about the people she represents. She works hard to make their lives better. I feel she’s a politician because that’s how she feels she can best help people. I feel Hillary wants to be a politician because she wants to have the respect and power that comes from being a politician. I voted for her in the primary. But, I’m not sure she would have won. People were already calling her shrill, especially when she ripped Bloomberg a new one in the debate. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/219 "2024-06-03T21:49:44Z")
> [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > … Because that’s the brutal truth of this fucked up system that we have: Trump has a huge head start straight from the gate. That’s true, but it’s not so much about Trump or Biden, but about how nearly evenly-divided the electorate is PLUS the Electoral College system that always gives a huge advantage to Republicans. So IF Trump loses–and therefore the American experiment in democracy does continue–then we can expect to see the same situation in however many future Presidential elections remain to us. (I.E. a Republican Presidential candidate having an out-of-the-gate advantage against any Democratic counterpart.) > [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > Really things don’t look good because not enough people seem to appreciate the fact that Trump being a convict and a laughingstock that most educated people despise simply isn’t enough to keep him out of the White House. **We have to vote in order to do that,** and again because of the Electoral College we have to vote for Biden. At least, we have to do that if we want to keep Trump from winning. My bolding. Yes. “Staying home” (from the thread title) is not an option for any _responsible_ citizen. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/220 "2024-06-03T21:52:37Z")
I’ll go on record that I like her much better than Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/221 "2024-06-03T22:07:09Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1002881/9): > > Isn’t this all in the eye of the beholder, though? It always is, but yeah not only is likeability something that Biden has had a long reputation for, but here’s a poll if you want “data”. > **[Biden Bests Trump on Likability; Trump Seen as Better Leader](https://news.gallup.com/poll/643100/biden-bests-trump-likability-trump-seen-better-leader.aspx)** > > Americans are less likely now than in 2020 to think Joe Biden possesses a number of positive personal qualities. He still rates far better than Donald Trump for likability, but much worse than Trump for strong leadership. Here’s one from a couple of years ago. > **[Biden Seen as Likable, Smart; Not Strong Leader, Manager](https://news.gallup.com/poll/389219/biden-seen-likable-smart-not-strong-leader-manager.aspx)** > > Americans are most likely to see President Joe Biden as likable and intelligent, among seven personal characteristics, and least likely to be defined as a strong leader or an effective manager. There’s a Wikipedia page about Biden’s public image, and his “empathy” has long been noted as one of his strong points. > **[Public image of Joe Biden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Joe_Biden)** > > Elections: > > Joe Biden, the 46th president of the United States, has been in the national spotlight for over half a century, ever since he won his first election to the United States Senate in 1972. Biden is seen as a figure with the tendency to commit gaffes. His capacity for empathy has been noted, as has his tendency for exaggeration. Biden's approval ratings as president started strong, but declined after the fall of Kabul on August 15, 2021. As the oldest president in US history, Biden's ... That correlates to being relatable and likeable to many people, though others might see that as being weak and might prefer someone who tries to be a bully like Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/223 "2024-06-03T23:00:18Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1002881/11): > > Your first cite says 60% of the public thinks Biden is likable. Okay, that still leaves 40% that doesn’t, but let’s ignore that for a sec. Or forever because it’s stupid to think that someone who’s not 100% liked isn’t likeable. > [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1002881/11): > > The takeaway is that Biden’s likeability compared to Sen. Clinton’s cannot be easily divorced from the biased manner in which female and male candidates are assessed. Maybe? Which is a shitty part of the country’s sexist history which unfortunately isn’t totally gone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335.md?page=12)