# If Hillary ran against Trump again, you'd stay home? Please explain **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 31, 2024, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335 "2024-05-31T15:26:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/81 "2024-05-31T20:36:13Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I’m likely done here. Yes, you are. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/82 "2024-05-31T20:38:46Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > How descriptivist of you! I feel like this is supposed to be some sort of a slam, but I’m having trouble figuring out how. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/83 "2024-05-31T20:42:19Z")
🤣 ok, tough guy! I answered your questions. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/84 "2024-05-31T20:42:23Z")
I don’t like Hillary Clinton. I don’t think she’d be a good president. I think she’s an awful person. But I held my nose and voted for her in 2016 when she ran against Trump and I’d do it again now without having to think about it at all. I considered Trump mainly as a coward, a lying crook, and an ignorant fool back in 2016, not all that much worse than many presidential candidates past and present. Now I would put dangerous traitor at the front of a much longer list. I also dearly hope that this hypothetical never happens because we would end up with a repeat of 2016. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/85 "2024-05-31T20:50:19Z")
In an effort to not hijack and only post about Hillary. I’ll say her name twice. Hillary. I don’t think she would’ve been a good president either. Too many things would have stood in her way. Tho’ this supposed to only be about Hillary, her being pulled out of mothballs and being asked to be the nominee would end up like 2016. I think Trump would win. I think he’s gonna win anyway. Oops, brought up Trump. Sorry. So many threads about his campaign already. ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca90](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boudicca90/32/16818_2.png) [@Boudicca90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boudicca90)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/86 "2024-05-31T20:51:13Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Could that just be tactical? > > I’m biased — I didn’t stay home on Election Day; I voted for her, and haven’t regretted it — but I can’t help but wonder if part of the reason she’d blame a group for her loss, for not getting out there to vote against Trump _then,_ is in hopes of getting them to come out and vote against Trump _now_: pointedly reminding people that, hey, if you don’t, then another one of those The Dem Candidate Loses To Trump scenarios may well ensue, y’know, _again._ If that is her strategy, and I doubt it is since she has been blaming everyone else but herself for her loss from the very beginning, it is backfiring since she has been doing nothing but pissing off those of us on the left more and more. Is she right about the danger of Trump? Yes. But she is absolutely the wrong person to be delivering that message. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/87 "2024-05-31T21:00:09Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Tho’ this supposed to only be about Hillary, her being pulled out of mothballs and being asked to be the nominee would end up like 2016. > I think Trump would win. I think he’s gonna win anyway. No it isn’t. Quit being an ass. You at best skimmed the OP and you once again don’t understand the premise because you didn’t take the time to read the OP for comprehension. You’re far from unintelligent. You’re either lazy or don’t give a shit. You also have this weird fertile imagination/martyr complex that people are frothing in anger or hate you. I assure you that neither of those things are true in my case. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/88 "2024-05-31T21:03:47Z")
I’m a fellow progressive. Hi. So you’re mad at Hillary for blaming progressives that she lost, but you didn’t vote for her? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/89 "2024-05-31T21:08:19Z")
I’d definitely prefer the timeline where Hillary Clinton is approaching the end of her second term and the Republicans are still accusing her of mismanagement that caused _tens of thousands_ of COVID deaths… ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/90 "2024-05-31T21:11:33Z")
I’ve read every post. I’ve read a lot of the previous thread. I know exactly what’s happening here. I’m not an ass. You got your hair on fire about not one thing but the thrill of being a jerk. (Kind of an important rule, don’t you know) My post was about Hillary. Don’t school me. ETA…I didn’t really write a haiku. That was accidental. If that’s what you’re on about. Like many have said, Hillary is old news. No need to get in a sweat about it. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/91 "2024-05-31T21:17:50Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > I’ll cast my vote, but NJ is about as solidly Dem as anyplace these days, it won’t really change anything. There’s Sussux County and Tom’s River. You’re vote will really mean nothing there. ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca90](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boudicca90/32/16818_2.png) [@Boudicca90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boudicca90)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/92 "2024-05-31T21:19:17Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > So you’re mad at Hillary for blaming progressives that she lost, but you didn’t vote for her? Most progressives were never going to vote for her in the first place, since she is too conservative and corporatist for us, yet she expected us to jump ship and join her after Bernie lost the primary. She and the DNC had this general attitude of her win being inevitable, which is why she barely did any actual campaigning, because she thought she had it in the bag. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/93 "2024-05-31T21:20:41Z")
Well. I guess you showed them. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/94 "2024-05-31T21:22:57Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Also Bengayzi or Bengaza or Benghazi or something. It was Ben Gazzara. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/95 "2024-05-31T21:27:52Z")
> [@Boudicca90](#): > > She and the DNC had this general attitude of her win being inevitable, which is why she barely did any actual campaigning, because she thought she had it in the bag. Yes. Instead of hobnobbing with movie stars and rockers on the coasts she needed to be making her case in the midwest. It wouldn’t have taken much to move the needle. People stayed home then because they didn’t feel the urgency to go out and vote. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/96 "2024-05-31T21:32:43Z")
Btw, a lot of progressives voted for Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/97 "2024-05-31T21:34:18Z")
I think so, it stinks. But not as bad as the Electoral College does. > [@Pleonast](#): > > No need to rehash. My assumption is based on discussions here and offline. It’s okay if you disagree, but it _is_ my assumption and its works well for me. OK, good enough, but there were other reasons besides sexism for not voting for HRC. And again, I did vote for her. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/98 "2024-05-31T21:42:31Z")
> [@Boudicca90](#): > > Most progressives were never going to vote for her in the first place… You got a cite for that? ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/99 "2024-05-31T21:42:43Z")
> [@Boudicca90](#): > > Most progressives were never going to vote for her in the first place, since she is too conservative and corporatist for us, yet she expected us to jump ship and join her after Bernie lost the primary. She and the DNC had this general attitude of her win being inevitable, which is why she barely did any actual campaigning, because she thought she had it in the bag. I’m proud to say that I’ve voted for many terrible candidates - Michael Dukakis and Walter Mondale are two that were far and away worse than Hillary. I did it because I judged their opponents to be much worse. You didn’t like Hillary because she was conservative and corporatist. Too damn bad. One thing I’ve learned in life is that if the lesser of two two evils is the best you’re going to get, then it’s the best choice you can make. Otherwise you get people like Ronald Reagan or, even worse, Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/100 "2024-05-31T21:49:44Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > ETA…I didn’t really write a haiku. That was accidental. If that’s what you’re on about. Don’t get me wrong, I really liked it. Several years of reading the Honolulu _Advertiser_ cured me of my prescriptivism about what gets to be called haiku. (But not about what gets to be called a “candidate” and what has to be called a _campaigner_.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335.md?page=6)