# If Hillary ran against Trump again, you'd stay home? Please explain **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 31, 2024, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335 "2024-05-31T15:26:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/141 "2024-06-02T23:37:51Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > How many people around here posted things like “I’m voting for Hillary, because she has White House experience”, or “I’m voting for Hillary, because I liked the Bill Clinton presidency”, or “I’m voting for Hillary, because that way we get two Presidents for the price of one”? In fact, how many people gave any reasons for supporting her (in the primaries; by the general, the reason to support her was obvious) that didn’t ultimately reduce to “she’s married to Bill Clinton”? Nice statement posing as a question, but I’ll play along: I don’t know, but I can’t recall seeing it too many times…but I am open to correction. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/142 "2024-06-02T23:41:05Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > You are blaming the victim. Maybe the victim of a horribly-run campaign. Again: I’m not rehashing 2016. I was asked what I meant by “Hillary Clinton” in response to hajario in another thread, and if that meant I wouldn’t vote for her over Donald Trump. I’m pretty sure I explained it. > [@BigT](#): > > It may not be what you meant, but it is the plain meaning of what you said. I’ve since explained what I meant, as the OP asked, and Chronos and Tamerlane actually sussed out what I meant by it too. I’m truly sorry for getting people so upset over my lack-of-clarity on a ridiculously far-fetched hypothetical situation. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/143 "2024-06-02T23:43:01Z")
The thing is, she’s a better choice over Donald Trump every time. It’s not even close to close. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/144 "2024-06-02T23:47:45Z")
You know that, and I know that, and most of the folks on this board know that… but a very large percentage of the American public don’t know that. Some mistakenly believe that Trump is a better choice, and some (the subject of the comment that spawned this thread) somehow aren’t sure. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/145 "2024-06-02T23:48:19Z")
She did a lot to get Bill elected Governor and then President. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/146 "2024-06-02T23:52:21Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > some (the subject of the comment that spawned this thread) somehow aren’t sure. Wait, is this directed at me? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/147 "2024-06-02T23:55:48Z")
I understand that in fantasy land one may abstain from voting and let the bad guy win. And it ain’t one’s fault, because one didn’t vote, and YAWWWWN…George Carlin called, and he wants his comedy bit back. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/148 "2024-06-02T23:58:06Z")
Hillary is very accomplished in her own right. I’m not sure Bill has as much going for himself. He has stuff. I, personally believe she has more. Not to mention more self control. By the time she was running for prez there’s no doubt she had _fight_, bravery and the built in brains. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/149 "2024-06-03T00:02:43Z")
Bill had charisma, Hillary had massive drive. Both are smart as hell, unlike Trump. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/150 "2024-06-03T00:07:44Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > How many people around here posted things like “I’m voting for Hillary, because she has White House experience”, or “I’m voting for Hillary, because I liked the Bill Clinton presidency”, or “I’m voting for Hillary, because that way we get two Presidents for the price of one”? In fact, how many people gave any reasons for supporting her (in the primaries; by the general, the reason to support her was obvious) that didn’t ultimately reduce to “she’s married to Bill Clinton”? Ummmm… what??? This is so far from my thinking - then and now — and that of everyone I knew — that I don’t even know where to begin. I literally FORGOT she was ever married to a president, about halfway through her tenure as Secretary of State\*. By the time of her 2016 primary campaign, it has been YEARS since I’d given Bill Clinton a moment’s thought. In fact, when it did come up briefly at some point in the 2016 primary season (in the unserious question of what Bill would be called — First Husband?) — I can remember thinking, “Oh, yeah — she’s married to that guy!” No, I’m not kidding or exaggerating. (And that particular, unimportant question would come up for any married female president, whatever their hubby’s former job happened to be). Chronos, we operate in very different circles. I believe you when you say that, in your circle, Bill loomed large in people’s minds that year. But not in mine, not at all. I’m SURE of this. \*Actually, it was much earlier. I clearly remember not giving Bill (or Hillary’s status as his wife) much thought at all during the 2008 primaries. It was all about “do we want a woman first, and then a black person, or the other way around?”, and “does Obama have enough experience, compared to Clinton’s longer Senate tenure?”, and, “is Clinton just a bit too hawkish and corporatist — she’d be a good president, but this Obama guy sounds even better?” ETA: If your question was rhetorical, and you meant to make the same point as me, my bad. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/151 "2024-06-03T00:19:05Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > As the saying goes, “the cruelty is the point”. If you want to know why the Right does _anything,_ look for the hate, look for the cruelty and you’ll find their motive. What about money? OK then, look for the hate, cruelty and money and you’ll find their motive. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/152 "2024-06-03T00:26:45Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Maybe the victim of a horribly-run campaign. The campaign was sufficient to secure enough votes in enough places to win. It wasn’t perfect, but it was good enough… were it not for the many, many crimes committed to prevent her from winning. There is zero doubt now that numerous crimes were committed to prevent Clinton from winning. There’s no denying that now. If a marathon runner narrowly lost a race after being assaulted several times along the way including by the race’s eventual winner, would you say that she ran a bad race? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/153 "2024-06-03T00:28:40Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > If a marathon runner narrowly lost a race after being assaulted several times along the way including by the race’s eventual winner, would you say that she ran a bad race? If she knew about the location of the attackers and could have fairly easily evaded them then she ran a bad tactical race. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/154 "2024-06-03T00:33:15Z")
She knew Trump paid off a porn star and did dodgy accounting to hide the fact? Stupid of her not to have mentioned it. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/155 "2024-06-03T00:34:58Z")
People who want an object lesson on misogyny via impossible standards can read this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/156 "2024-06-03T00:36:27Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Wait, is this directed at me? No, it’s directed at the folks you were referring to in your comment. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/157 "2024-06-03T00:40:09Z")
If I could find fault in her campaign it was clear she was running the race the way it was traditionally done. Trump went to the mud fast and hard and she couldn’t or wouldn’t go there. I have the same problem with Biden. I wish he’d get in front of the cameras every day talking about “that Felon” and how many more lawsuits are looming and the terrible racist, sexist, criminal behavior he has inflicted on Americans. How stupid he was about COVID. How he’s in league with communist leaders. Unlike Trump, Biden doesn’t have to lie to tell who Trump really is. It’s fact. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/158 "2024-06-03T00:47:57Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > If I could find fault in her campaign it was clear she was running the race the way it was traditionally done. > Trump went to the mud fast and hard and she couldn’t or wouldn’t go there. This is how he steamrolled through the primary as well. No one else would go after one another because they wanted favor with the eventual winner and they didn’t take him seriously. By the time they realized what was going on, it was too late. He was playing a different game because he didn’t give a shit. It was funny until it wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/159 "2024-06-03T00:57:57Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > People who want an object lesson on misogyny via impossible standards can read this thread. So true, and so well said. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-hillary-ran-against-trump-again-youd-stay-home-please-explain/1002335/160 "2024-06-03T01:27:28Z")
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