# If I Suspect Someone Is Trying To Kill Me (Don't need answer fast) **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [April 2, 2014, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163 "2014-04-02T13:19:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/21 "2014-04-03T03:04:43Z")
> [@Accidental\_Martyr](#): > > Here in Alabama, we blow up lawnmowers. 😉 > [Bomb Killed Man on Mower, ATF Says](http://articles.latimes.com/1999/jul/29/news/mn-60726) Cool. Too bad about the dog. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/22 "2014-04-03T05:33:18Z")
My ‘friend’ in the criminal justice system told me that you could just pay a junky $70 to accidently run over your intended victim while they are crossing the road. Wouldn’t work I guess in cities where nobody walks across the road. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2014, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/23 "2014-04-03T19:50:59Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > My ‘friend’ in the criminal justice system told me that you could just pay a junky $70 to accidently run over your intended victim while they are crossing the road. Wouldn’t work I guess in cities where nobody walks across the road. I believe I would improve on that, and pay someone to pay someone to pay the junkie. Why $70.00, is that the current price of a heroin dose? ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_York](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f6c823/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_York](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_York)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/24 "2014-04-04T01:50:28Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > My ‘friend’ in the criminal justice system told me that you could just pay a junky $70 to accidently run over your intended victim while they are crossing the road. Wouldn’t work I guess in cities where nobody walks across the road. There are cities where nobody walks across the road? That’s new to me. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/25 "2014-04-04T01:58:12Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I believe I would improve on that, and pay someone to pay someone to pay the junkie. > > Why $70.00, is that the current price of a heroin dose? It was at the time. A couple of years later I was told that I could own a fairly young and fairly good looking young woman for $100 a day, which illustrates that the price moves around a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_York](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f6c823/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_York](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_York)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/26 "2014-04-04T02:02:01Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I believe I would improve on that, and pay someone to pay someone to pay the junkie. I thought the usual pay off to the junkie was to give him a really strong dose, which would leave him unable to tell anyone about the deal you had with him. Who’s going to investigate an “accidental” drug overdose on a junkie? ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/27 "2014-04-04T02:33:32Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > My ‘friend’ in the criminal justice system told me that you could just pay a junky $70 to accidently run over your intended victim while they are crossing the road. Wouldn’t work I guess in cities where nobody walks across the road. Damn! I heard $10K, although it would supposedly be a more professional job. ---
**Author:** ![toofs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@toofs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toofs)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/28 "2014-04-04T03:08:14Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > A couple of years later I was told that I could own a fairly young and fairly good looking young woman for $100 a day, which illustrates that the price moves around a bit. Wow. That’s a good deal. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/29 "2014-04-04T03:47:24Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > While I have no personal experience with this matter, proceeding from logic, the two most likely places to put a bomb would either be near the battery (as a power source) or under the driver’s seat (to maximise kill potential). If the latter, literally under the seat would be the best, but breaking into the car without leaving any marks is harder so most people would probably put it under the car, beneath the seat. [It appears that’s how they tried to kill Frank “Lefty” Rosenthal in Las Vegas.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Rosenthal#Later_years_and_death) He was saved by the fact that the manufacturer had installed a steel plate under the driver’s seat. ---
**Author:** ![nevadaexile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@nevadaexile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nevadaexile)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/30 "2014-04-04T04:22:28Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > My ‘friend’ in the criminal justice system told me that you could just pay a junky $70 to accidently run over your intended victim while they are crossing the road. Wouldn’t work I guess in cities where nobody walks across the road. Junkies are often stupid and usually very unreliable. If you depend upon a junkie doing something for you, then you are likely to be disappointed as nothing matters more to them than getting their fix. They’ll take your $70, get high and then hide out until they think that you aren’t looking for them or their need to fix makes them careless. If you want use a junkie as an assassin, tell him/her that your intended victim has drugs on them but is also armed and will defend themselves if they are robbed. tell them that if they rob them for you, you’ll split whatever they get The junkie will likely shoot,stab or bludgeon the person in their efforts to obtain the alleged drugs. You then dispatch the junkie when they confront you later about the deception. Or you place a discreet phone to the authorities after the murder implicating the junkie. As there will little evidence of your connection to the crime (assuming that you meet the junkie in a private location, that you don’t call them using a phone traceable to you and you never discuss the matter with them again) the junkie will be convicted and you’ll have commissioned a murder which can’t really be pinned on you. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/31 "2014-04-04T07:17:53Z")
> [@nevadaexile](#): > > Or you place a discreet phone to the authorities after the murder implicating the junkie. As there will little evidence of your connection to the crime (assuming that you meet the junkie in a private location, that you don’t call them using a phone traceable to you and you never discuss the matter with them again) the junkie will be convicted and you’ll have commissioned a murder which can’t really be pinned on you. Except for the part where the junkie _will_ claim you paid him money – which draws a red flag because if the junkie supposedly killed someone at random, how does he even know you exist? (Not that the cops would necessarily bother investigating…depending on your stature in the community, of course.) ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/32 "2014-04-04T08:16:34Z")
A method for killing nuclear scientists in Iran (I assume the US & Israel are behind this) is to have someone on a motorcycle ride up to the car with the scientist in it, place a magnetic bomb on the side of the car and then detonate it after the motorcyclist has gotten away. So you don’t have to just watch out for when you start your car. > **[Iran nuclear scientist killed in Tehran motorbike bomb attack](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/11/iran-nuclear-scientist-killed)** > > Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan is latest victim in series of attacks apparently targeting key figures in Tehran's nuclear programme The positioning for bombs in car bombs is probably under the drivers seat and attached to the bottom of the car. Looking under the hood likely wouldn’t help, unless the bomb was wired to the ignition. I don’t understand the whole ‘tampering with the brake lines’ method of assassination. Virtually every drive I’ve ever taken has required me to brake at least once before reaching highway or interstate speeds. Getting out of driveways, getting out of cul de sacs, stopping at stop signs on the corner block, etc. Cutting brake lines would just be annoying, not life threatening. ---
**Author:** ![coffeecat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coffeecat/32/3405_2.png) [@coffeecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coffeecat)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/33 "2014-04-04T10:39:48Z")
Pay the junkie half now and half after the kill. Junkies own cars? ---
**Author:** ![nevadaexile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@nevadaexile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nevadaexile)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/34 "2014-04-04T13:01:55Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Except for the part where the junkie _will_ claim you paid him money – which draws a red flag because if the junkie supposedly killed someone at random, how does he even know you exist? > > (Not that the cops would necessarily bother investigating…depending on your stature in the community, of course.) You’re probably going to use a junkie who you know anyway to commit the crime. As long as you have an alibi and no one sees you meeting, the police will be left with suspicions but no proof of your involvement. If you only communicate with them through your attorney and you keep your own mouth shut, the DA will probably convict the junkie and either forget you or place your investigation on a back burner. But again, IME, planning to use a junkie for anything important is planning to be disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/35 "2014-04-04T13:56:43Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Except for the part where the junkie _will_ claim you paid him money – which draws a red flag because if the junkie supposedly killed someone at random, how does he even know you exist? That’s why I want to pay someone to pay someone to pay the junkie. Everyone gets paid after the fact, and the junkie gets a little something extra in his heroin. With the link of payment to trace, I’d have time for a bus ticket to Mexico, or a plane ticket to Guam. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/36 "2014-04-04T14:14:29Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > That’s why I want to pay someone to pay someone to pay the junkie. > Everyone gets paid after the fact, and the junkie gets a little something extra in his heroin. And the junkie flips on your middleman (who’s gonna ask for a cut, probably much higher than the junkie’s price) and the middleman flips on you…see the problem? Unless your junkie succeeds in evading capture, which is really, really really important when you decide to assassinate someone. Best to create a patsy that you can “take care of” later (a la H.Lee Oswald) or frame somebody else for the evil deed. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > With the link of payment to trace, I’d have time for a bus ticket to Mexico, or a plane ticket to Guam. Guam’s still in America, you know…try Vanuatu instead. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/37 "2014-04-04T14:49:54Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > That’s why I want to pay someone to pay someone to pay the junkie. > Everyone gets paid after the fact, and the junkie gets a little something extra in his heroin. > > With the link of payment to trace, I’d have time for a bus ticket to Mexico, or a plane ticket to Guam. How do you set that up w/o anyone finding out? Bringing more people into the loop seems like it would increase risk, not decrease it. Considering everyone would be facing a life sentence, cooperation would be a risk. I could understand doing a once removed situation, but twice removed creates 4 people involved. Also, get a ticket to a non-extradition country. > **[Stock Portfolio Management & Tracker - Yahoo Finance](https://finance.yahoo.com/portfolios)** > > Track your personal stock portfolios and watch lists, and automatically determine your day gain and total gain at Yahoo Finance ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/38 "2014-04-04T15:02:30Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > How do you set that up w/o anyone finding out? Bringing more people into the loop seems like it would increase risk, not decrease it. Considering everyone would be facing a life sentence, cooperation would be a risk. > > I could understand doing a once removed situation, but twice removed creates 4 people involved. > > Also, get a ticket to a non-extradition country. > > [http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/06/11/best-countries-no-extradition-edward-snowden-prism-nsa/](http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/06/11/best-countries-no-extradition-edward-snowden-prism-nsa/) I’m counting on gaining time while they trace the people involved. Thanks for the advice, Bhutab it is. ---
**Author:** ![nevadaexile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@nevadaexile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nevadaexile)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/39 "2014-04-04T15:10:11Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > How do you set that up w/o anyone finding out? Bringing more people into the loop seems like it would increase risk, not decrease it. Considering everyone would be facing a life sentence, cooperation would be a risk. > > I could understand doing a once removed situation, but twice removed creates 4 people involved. > > Also, get a ticket to a non-extradition country. > > [http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/06/11/best-countries-no-extradition-edward-snowden-prism-nsa/](http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/06/11/best-countries-no-extradition-edward-snowden-prism-nsa/) Few nations aren’t going to extradite you regardless of a lack of an MLAT (Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty) as they simply want neither an accused murderer on their soil or the ill-will of the US government. Also most nations without MLATs with the US are flyblown hellholes or authoritarian nightmares. Prison might seem like an improvement after several years living there. ---
**Author:** ![si\_blakely](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@si\_blakely](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/si_blakely)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163/40 "2014-04-05T19:44:48Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I don’t understand the whole ‘tampering with the brake lines’ method of assassination. Virtually every drive I’ve ever taken has required me to brake at least once before reaching highway or interstate speeds. Getting out of driveways, getting out of cul de sacs, stopping at stop signs on the corner block, etc. Cutting brake lines would just be annoying, not life threatening. Add in that modern cars have sensors that will alert the driver if the brake line pressure is low, and there are several ways of controlling speed without brakes (although engine braking is harder in an automatic), particularly when you still have control of the accelerator. Oh, and leaking brake fluid is obvious and nasty. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-i-suspect-someone-is-trying-to-kill-me-dont-need-answer-fast/685163.md?page=1)