If I traveled back in time, would I get ancient diseases?

Strains of the flu then were sometimes lethal to them. 500 years is a blink in terms of human immune system adaptation. The same system at work now that handles modern flu strains was at work 500 years ago. Unless you count vaccinations, which only work by modern doctors projecting strains to be concerned about and making tailored vaccines for those. If they get it right.

A modern strain of the flu would have a similar impact on them as an ancient strain would have on us. The particular strain might be weak or strong, the particular host might be weak or strong, the combination leads to differing results.

Not if it turns out that a time machine requires a receiver as well as a transmitter. No one would be able to travel back to a point before the first receiver is built.

Which would lead to several questions…

  1. Which would come first. The receiver or the transmitter ? :slight_smile:
  2. Can the transmitter transmit a transmitter to the receiver ( thinking about the trip back). Which would mean leaving all that hardware behind when I return home. :confused:
  3. What would travel into the future be like, not knowing where and when someone had built/placed a receiver? Hmmm… can’t go very far into the past, and the future would be pretty iffy. Sort of takes the fun out of inventing time travel. :frowning:
  4. What if a fly is in the transmitter with me? Temporal diseases wouldn’t matter if I end up stuck in a spider web saying “Help me, help me”. :eek:

Why do all the new people who apologize for their English speak it better than I?

Welcome aboard, Kid, and the other newcomers!

Impressive. :eek:

The diseases which thrive in densely populated areas I different from rural areas. Urban diseases spread quickly and don’t have to rely as heavily on keeping it’s host alive. On the other hand, tropical diseases seem to really screw over urban invaders. Not sure the reason, though.

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I can’t imagine how someone could build a “time machine receiver” without knowing exactly what they are receiving, so at best I would imagine these being simultaneous developments, i.e. 2 halves of one machine, both required for the machine to work. I could conceive of someone trying to build a transmitter and after repeatedly failing coming to the conclusion a receiver was required, and building the other half. Either way, you wouldn’t get a receiver before you had a working transmitter.

The size and scope of the equipment vs the transmission physical space would be a design question. It is conceivable there is something inherent to the machinery that would prevent it from being passed through, but I wouldn’t have the vaguest idea of what that limitation could be. If time travel is possible at all, I don’t see any reason a transmitter couldn’t be passed from a far future into a near future (i.e. it’s own past). It’s just equipment, stuff. If stuff can be relocated in time, then why not the stuff that can access that time relocation?

That is an excellent question: how would one know where receivers are in other times? A time log could certainly keep track of all events in your past, and conceivably if you met someone from your future you could obtain a copy of their time log and know where to go ahead of your time but in their past, but there seem to be practical limits that way.

It might be practically useful, though, as a way to get that extra few hours of sleep in, or stay up late gaming and still make it to work on time, etc. Last minute deadlines suddenly aren’t so bad. :wink: On the other hand, procrastinators will never get anything done.

If it’s just a time portal, then it shouldn’t matter, you’ll just have a future fly hanging out in the past with you. You only have to worry about transmutation through some sort of dematerialization/rematerialization process. With an insufficiently designed/calibrated transporter.

Or a military satellite…

I was wondering that too. According to Google, it’s the surname of a bazillion people, but that’s not particularly helpful.

A couple of reasons:

First, differences in genetics regarding the immune system. Probably the most well known such difference is the sickle-cell gene which, if you have only one, confers greater resistance to malaria (Presumably, those with two also resist malaria better but the resulting anemia can kill you, so it’s not that great a thing), but there are other traits affecting immunity.

Second, a lifetime of exposure might result in greater resistance, particularly for some diseases that are far less severe if caught early in life. West Nile Virus, for example, is far less likely to kill you if you catch it young and if I recall tends to be a mild childhood illness where it originates but if you’re someone in North America who is never exposed until the age of 60 it will be far more serious. Likewise, chicken pox is (usually) a not terribly serious disease (although very uncomfortable) in early childhood but can be lethal to adults. The rural folks might have caught all the local disease in childhood, but the urban “invaders” catch them as adults when they are perhaps more serious. Likewise, it’s exposure over time to waterborne nasties that allows the locals to build up immunity to them - if the “urban invader” drank the water and suffered through a couple weeks of misery he or she would likewise learn to tolerate the local water (well, to the extent the natives can - it’s not unusual for natives to fall prey to intestinal troubles from time to time).

Thirdly, there may be cultural practices that either avoid or mitigate exposure. These might be something like not building too close to swamps, even if that means a longer distance to go for drinking water. For centuries in Europe drinking beer and wine was healthier than drinking the local water supply, so shunning plain water and drinking booze was the healthier option at that time and place. Likewise, the need to boil water to make tea helped various Asian peoples avoid the dangers of the local “raw” water.

So, the local residents are more likely to have 1) have an inherited resistance to what’s been in the area for past generations, 2) have acquired resistance early in life to the local bugs, and 3) have customs that help avoid getting sick in the first place.

Tipler’s hypothetical rotating-cylinder time machine only lets you travel to points in time between the moment when it was turned on and the moment when it is turned off.

Why are people asking about this mysterious word “fayak”? I don’t see it anywhere in the article, nor anywhere in this thread other than people asking about it.

It was silently amended to “yak”. You can see the original if you Google phrases from it.

I did not mean that they were objects, but rather that they are real properties of the universe. They are like temperature, or mass. Things that can be measured, even though they are not physical objects we can hold.

And perceptive abilities are not necessary for these properties to exist. Just as a rock in the depth of space has a temperature and a mass, regardless of the fact that there is no one there to measure them, so too can the rock’s existence be described in terms of the dimensions of spacetime.
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Usually, it’s been the other way around. Urbanites live in close proximity which facilitates transmission, they may or may not have good sanitation systems or quarantine practices, and new diseases have a great number of hosts to spread to as well as multiple vector and reservoir species that the newcomer might be compatible with. Epidemics/outbreaks usually happen when something moderately adapted to a population makes it into a new territory. A strain of smallpox from densely populated India; black plague from China; our annual flu strains from bird migrations mixing with vast herds of animals kept by large numbers of humans mixing in one big-assed petri dish.

The danger with invading or exploring new territories is that you might run into a disease that the population there is resistant to through long exposure, but is novel to your immune system. These tend to burn through exposed populations quite quickly, but don’t usually produce epidemics since the exposed individuals either die or recover before they go back to their home territory, and the locals are resistant.

This is the pattern with most of Africa, where diseases co-evolved with the population. Humans who encounter these viruses for the first time are screwed because the things are already well adapted to circumventing human immune systems, but the newly-exposed people often don’t have any immunity at all.

Hemorrhagic fevers like Ebola or Marburg are famous because they kill the shit out of almost everyone exposed to them. There are, apparently, some few people in a very small area that show a level of immunity to these diseases, but researchers still haven’t figured out what the non-human reservoir species is. The reason they haven’t spread to a large population is that they both kill very quickly. This is usually a hallmark of a newly-introduced disease. Once multiple exposures happen, and a higher level of base immunity is developed, the virulence typically drops. Modern high-speed transportation is what makes Ebola and similar Virus X-type diseases scary.

There are some indications that virulence drops through both mutation in the virus, alongside adaptations the exposed species makes to inhibit the invader. Winning the lottery from a virus’s standpoint is to be highly infective, but not kill the host quickly, so as to spread to as large a population as possible. Rhinoviruses (common cold) and herpes are great examples of well-adapted, highly infectious, but relatively benign viruses. They’ve probably been around us for a long, long time.

In the Americas, there seem to have been very few viral and bacterial diseases that made it through the migration, and the largely hunter-gatherer lifestyle kept any encountered diseases localized. There were very few plagues until higher concentrations of people developed, which was relatively late in human history. Syphilis probably evolved in one of the more densely-populated centers of the Americas ([url=]this says the New Mexican early agricultural Mogollan culture). Aside from this notable exception, and some nasties later settlers ran into mostly near waterways, the native North Americans don’t seem to have encountered many diseases at all. The diseases they were exposed to by the Europeans were old nasty things that had been endemic in human populations since the very beginning of civilization, which is why there were die-off rates upwards of 90% across most of the continent.