# If it works in the Phillipins should Mexico try the same? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 23, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748 "2016-08-23T18:10:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/341 "2016-09-25T02:42:37Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > It was just more convenient to avoid it twice than rejecting it of course. > Because you were also wrong about that simple thing, I was indeed saying that either way Duterte can not avoid having some responsibility, if not much for the crime, he has it for not prosecuting the criminals that he is only approving of. > Will retract when he **begins** to hunt for the killers. As it is now Duterte has not taken back this: > > [Kill drug dealers and I'll give you a medal, says Philippines president | Rodrigo Duterte | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/05/kill-drug-dealers-medal-philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte) > > Due to the lack of due process and unwillingness of going after the ones that did the collateral damage it follows that Duterte does not mind what they are doing. > Again: Due to the lack of due process and unwillingness of going after the ones that did the collateral damage it follows that he does not mind what they are doing. Nothing you say makes sense. You keep going on and on about my failure to respond to something and fail to respond to all sorts of things I post. You fail to provide any evidence that Duterte is a dictator but insist that it is somehow my failure for not agreeing with you. All you have is a president doing EXACTLY what he promised he would do and enjoying over 90% approval ratings for doing so. So you try to take those high approval ratings and compare him to marcos. :dubious: Did you watch the NPR video? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/342 "2016-09-25T03:24:49Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Nothing you say makes sense. > > You keep going on and on about my failure to respond to something and fail to respond to all sorts of things I post. > > You fail to provide any evidence that Duterte is a dictator but insist that it is somehow my failure for not agreeing with you. Never said this, cite or retract. You will see that I’m only saying that Duterte is very close to becoming one, and just as the fire elements example there are many of those elements of a dictatorship that can indeed turn the Philippines into a dictatorship. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > All you have is a president doing EXACTLY what he promised he would do and enjoying over 90% approval ratings for doing so. So you try to take those high approval ratings and compare him to marcos. :dubious: Because he showed that he had plenty of support before, clearly under controversial circumstances, but support nevertheless. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Did you watch the NPR video? Yes, what about it? The thing that you are trying to avoid also is what me and even the UN are aware of the autocrats that tried to get away from any responsibility by what it is called “the death squad dodge”. [https://www.hrw.org/legacy/wr2k/Front.htm](https://www.hrw.org/legacy/wr2k/Front.htm) > [@](#): > > It has long been established that in certain instances, commanders of military forces can be prosecuted for atrocities committed by their troops. Articulated by the Nuremberg and Tokyo tribunals, this doctrine of “command responsibility” is now codified in the Geneva Conventions and their Protocols. It imposes criminal liability on a commander who knew or had reason to know that troops under his command were committing atrocities and who failed to take “all feasible measures” within his power to stop them. > > These “feasible measures” were typically understood to mean ordering or deploying the commander’s own security forces to halt abuses. But the emergence of a vigilant human rights movement is among the factors that have perversely encouraged what might be called the “death squad dodge.” To avoid the opprobrium and potential criminal liability that comes with openly committing executions and torture, abusive militaries began to subcontract atrocities to irregular forces which the military could then claim were beyond its control. Examples of this phenomenon can be seen in the “death squads” of Central America in the 1980s, the Colombian and Serbian paramilitaries of the 1990s and, most recently, the militia created in East Timor by the Indonesian army. So, again another step towards becoming a dictator. Of course one of the understated points was that Duterte will be declared one if the other branches of government can not give justice to the ones affected by checking if what Duterte id doing is the proper thing. Well, the steps being seen are not encouraging, the slouching towards a dictatorship is getting there: > **[Philippines: Committee Chair Ousted for Death Squad Inquiry](https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/09/19/philippines-committee-chair-ousted-death-squad-inquiry)** > > The Philippine Senate has ousted the chair of the Senate Committee on Justice and Human Rights in an apparent reprisal for her inquiry into the surge in killings linked to President Rodrigo Duterte’s “war on drugs.” The Senate should... > [@](#): > > September 19, 2016 7:30PM EDT > Philippines: Committee Chair Ousted for Death Squad Inquiry > > Senate Undercuts Effort to Stop ‘Drug War’ Killing Spr ee > [@](#): > > (New York) – The Philippine Senate has ousted the chair of the Senate Committee on Justice and Human Rights in an apparent reprisal for her inquiry into the surge in killings linked to President Rodrigo Duterte’s “war on drugs,” Human Rights Watch said today. The Senate should seek Sen. Leila De Lima’s immediate reinstatement to signal its support for justice and human rights. > > On September 19, 2016, senators who accused De Lima of being “biased” voted 16 to 4 to replace her as chairwoman in favor of “someone neutral.” At a Senate hearing on September 15, admitted former “hit man” Edgar Matobato had testified on Duterte’s involvement in the killings of about 1,000 people in Davao City, where Duterte had been mayor for more than two decades. > > “The Senate vote to remove the chair of the Committee on Justice and Human Rights is a craven attempt to derail accountability for the appalling death toll from President Duterte’s abusive ‘war on drugs,’” said Phelim Kine, deputy Asia director. “The Senate is imperiling the Philippine public by covering up allegations of state-sanctioned murder rather than exposing them.” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/343 "2016-09-26T03:00:39Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Never said this, cite or retract. You will see that I’m only saying that Duterte is very close to becoming one, and just as the fire elements example there are many of those elements of a dictatorship that can indeed turn the Philippines into a dictatorship. Sure, anything could happen. All you need is a military and police that will cooperate with the new dictator. By that reasoning any Filipino Presdient could conceivably become a dictatorship. Not really sure what the stuff about fire elements is but… > [@](#): > > Because he showed that he had plenty of support before, clearly under controversial circumstances, but support nevertheless. Its silly to compare a president with 90%+ approval ratings with a dictator that stuffed the ballot boxes to get 88% of the vote while he was a dictator. > [@](#): > > Yes, what about it? > > The thing that you are trying to avoid also is what me and even the UN are aware of the autocrats that tried to get away from any responsibility by what it is called “the death squad dodge”. > > [Front 1](https://www.hrw.org/legacy/wr2k/Front.htm) “the death squad dodge” seem to refer to dictators using death squads to hide violations of the geneva conventions It seem to refer to the use of death squads by dictatorships to kill political enemies and dissidents. Duterte might one day drift into that territory but right now you are just speculating that he will do so because you don’t like his policies. > [@](#): > > So, again another step towards becoming a dictator. Of course one of the understated points was that Duterte will be declared one if the other branches of government can not give justice to the ones affected by checking if what Duterte id doing is the proper thing. > > Well, the steps being seen are not encouraging, the slouching towards a dictatorship is getting there: > > [Philippines: Committee Chair Ousted for Death Squad Inquiry | Human Rights Watch](https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/09/20/philippines-committee-chair-ousted-death-squad-inquiry) > ee Wait. So the committee chair that has been critical of President Duterte and who President Duterte has accused of having criminal ties is VOTED out 16 to 4 by her own committee because she is seen as too biased. SIXTEEN TO FOUR!!! Only 4 of her fellow senators were willing to support her. Perhaps the Filipino senators know something you don’t. Or is this a conspiracy that includes the democratically elected Filipino senate. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/344 "2016-09-26T04:08:42Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Wait. So the committee chair that has been critical of President Duterte and who President Duterte has accused of having criminal ties is VOTED out 16 to 4 by her own committee because she is seen as too biased. SIXTEEN TO FOUR!!! Only 4 of her fellow senators were willing to support her. Perhaps the Filipino senators know something you don’t. Or is this a conspiracy that includes the democratically elected Filipino senate. I do not think Human Rights Watch would just decide to toss out all their good work made in the past and the present now just for an unfounded concern. Do you have any evidence for that? As they even have people in the Philippines it is clear that HRW are the ones that do know much more than you. To really support this move by the legislature is asinine. It is one sign on the road to dictatorship. > **[Top Duterte critic fears for her life after calling out president over...](https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/de-lima-no-longer-safe-after-calling-out-duterte-murderous-consequences-his-drug-war-1583007)** > > 'What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose his soul? I choose to keep my soul,' says Leila de Lima. > [@](#): > > Earlier this week, Senator Leila de Lima was stripped of her position as the chairwoman of a committee investigating police and vigilante killings since Duterte took power in June. The 57-year-old was accused of using the committee as a way of exacting “personal political vendettas.” > > Her mobile phone number and home address were also publicly disclosed during a televised hearing at the House of Representatives. De Lima subsequently claimed she was inundated with around 2,000 threatening text messages and phone calls and subjected to the “vilest of names”. > > De Lima read out some threats which were sent to her phone at a press conference. “I am now subject of persecution and I’m no longer safe. I don’t feel safe. The truth is, I am not safe,” she said. As one member of the senate put it, it is not contradictory to investigate so as to prevent abuses and reign over the death squads and approving of the war on drugs. But, as usual to identify who is a dictator we have to see if Duterte will use his power to spike all the investigations that were being made by the committee. And that is the most likely outcome. > **[The Philippine President's Biggest Critic Was Demoted](https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/09/rodrigo-duterteleila-de-lima-investigation/500642/)** > > Senator Leila de Lima led the investigation into Rodrigo Duterte’s war on drugs, and on Monday she was removed from the justice committee. > [@](#): > > Now that de Lima is off the Senate’s justice committee, it’s not known what will come of the investigation into thousands of deaths the country has seen since Duterte won the election at the end of June. It’s likely the panel will back off; **de Lima’s replacement, Senator Richard Gordon, is an ally of the president.** Well, how convenient… But me and many on the human rights organizations and the UN were not born yesterday. And neither columnist Francisco S. Tatad from the Manila Times: > **[DU30 now stronger than Marcos](https://www.manilatimes.net/2016/09/02/editorspicks/topanalysis/du30-now-stronger-than-marcos/283508)** > > DU30 now stronger than Marcos > [@](#): > > President Rodrigo Duterte is now the most powerful President in the nation’s history—more powerful than the late former President Ferdinand Marcos ever was at the height of Martial Law. This appears to be the confident view of many political observers and well-known CEOs. This is because where Marcos needed to declare Martial Law to impose authoritarian rule, DU30 has done so without declaring Martial Law. He has done and is doing anything and everything he wants to do simply by insisting that his motive is “pure,” and that the end justifies the means. And there’s been nothing and no one to stop him. > > Where Marcos needed to abolish Congress to do away with venal and useless politicians, DU30 simply decided to make them part of his adopted PDP-Laban in order to railroad everything he wants to acquire a semblance of legality—from the restoration of the capital sentence for heinous crimes, to the lowering of the age of criminal responsibility from 15 years old to nine, to the revision of the present Constitution according to the wishes of the President. Speaker of the House Pantaleon Alvarez gave a terrifying demonstration of this when he spoke before the Philippine Constitution Association at the Manila Golf Club on Tuesday evening. > > Where Marcos needed a military tribunal to try Lim Seng, the Chinese illegal drugs manufacturer, for drug dealing, and to condemn him to death by musketry, DU30 only had to order the Philippine National Police to eliminate suspected drug pushers, (1,800 as of the latest count), and to jail 700,000 drug users, who have opted to surrender rather than get killed by the police or vigilantes. To sweeten the pot, he has offered a bounty of P2 million for every “drug lord” killed. > > And where Marcos, who died 30 years ago, continues to be savaged by the so-called victims of Martial Law for acts committed by the State in self-defense, DU30 has refused to be intimidated by any threat of being held accountable for his current acts against drug suspects after he leaves the presidency. He nonchalantly tells those who denounce his methods that he “doesn’t give a damn,” he’s simply trying to solve a serious problem of his country. > > Reactions to DU30 > > The UN special rapporteur on summary executions (Agnes Callamard) has spoken, saying “claims to fight illicit drug trade do not absolve the government from its international obligations and do not shield state actors or others from responsibility for illegal killings.” > > So have the US State Department, the White House, and Amnesty International on human rights. So has Chief Justice Maria Lourdes Sereno on warrantless arrests and impunity. So have Archbishop Socrates Villegas of Lingayen-Dagupan and President of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines, former CBCP President and Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Emeritus Oscar V. Cruz, and Manila Cardinal-Archbishop Luis Antonio Tagle on the moral law and the right to life. > > So have 300 international nongovernmental organizations, which signed a letter denouncing DU30’s policies and demanding that international drug control agencies state unequivocally that such killings “do not constitute acceptable drug control measures.” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/345 "2016-09-27T17:46:28Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I do not think Human Rights Watch would just decide to toss out all their good work made in the past and the present now just for an unfounded concern. Do you have any evidence for that? So where does HRW call Duterte a dictator? because I think we need to establish that before I can rebut the notion. > [@](#): > > As they even have people in the Philippines it is clear that HRW are the ones that do know much more than you. To really support this move by the legislature is asinine. It is one sign on the road to dictatorship. > > [De Lima 'not safe' after calling out Duterte on Philippines drug war | IBTimes UK](http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/de-lima-no-longer-safe-after-calling-out-duterte-murderous-consequences-his-drug-war-1583007) > > As one member of the senate put it, it is not contradictory to investigate so as to prevent abuses and reign over the death squads and approving of the war on drugs. And 16 members of the senate voted to get rid of a senator that was wasting government resources in a biased investigation. > [@](#): > > But, as usual to identify who is a dictator we have to see if Duterte will use his power to spike all the investigations that were being made by the committee. And that is the most likely outcome. > > [The Philippine President's Biggest Critic Was Demoted - The Atlantic](http://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/09/rodrigo-duterteleila-de-lima-investigation/500642/) I was under the impression that 16 out of 20 senators voted to do that. Did Duterte threaten them or blackmail them into voting that way? > [@](#): > > Well, how convenient… But me and many on the human rights organizations and the UN were not born yesterday. And neither columnist Francisco S. Tatad from the Manila Times: > > [DU30 now stronger than Marcos | The Manila Times](http://www.manilatimes.net/du30-now-stronger-than-marcos/283508/) Wait, isn’t Francisco S. Tatad the former Minister of Public Information for Ferdinand Marcos? Didn’t he shut down the Manila Times because they were being critical of Marcos? Isn’t Francisco S. Tatad just another politician? Has Duterte been shutting down newspapers and radio stations that are critical of him? He may become a dictator one day but right now his policies seem pretty popular and when he tries to do something unpopular (like honoring Marcos), the Filipinos seem comfortable opposing him and he seems to back down. hardly the stuff of dictators. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/346 "2016-09-27T18:32:24Z")
Well, it’s been nine pages. **DA** , it’s time for the big reveal where you explain how all this time we’ve really been arguing about something else and we’re all hypocrites. Because you cannot possibly actually think this policy is a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/347 "2016-09-27T18:46:00Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, it’s been nine pages. **DA** , it’s time for the big reveal where you explain how all this time we’ve really been arguing about something else and we’re all hypocrites. Because you cannot possibly actually think this policy is a good idea. Are we all hypocrites? Of course we are. Do I believe that vigilante justice is a good idea? Almost never. Almost. The Philippines are probably not the exception. But Duterte is still not a dictator yet. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/348 "2016-09-27T21:51:38Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So where does HRW call Duterte a dictator? because I think we need to establish that before I can rebut the notion. Stop with the straw man. Read it again. I’m not saying that, \*\*you \*\*are. And one should wonder why it is too hard for you to see that the position I have is not an absolute one as much as you want it. All your other affirmations are just the same tired pap that does not deal with what was said, only just a shooting the messenger argument. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/349 "2016-09-28T00:53:10Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Stop with the straw man. Read it again. I’m not saying that, \*\*you \*\*are. And one should wonder why it is too hard for you to see that the position I have is not an absolute one as much as you want it. > > All your other affirmations are just the same tired pap that does not deal with what was said, only just a shooting the messenger argument. Wait. So are you ready to say that Duterte is not a dictator (at least not now)? Because you’ve really been implying that he was either a dictator or was very likely to become one. ---
**Author:** ![iLemming](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90db22/32.png) [@iLemming](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iLemming)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/350 "2016-09-29T06:10:14Z")
A nation awash with alcohol, tobacco, sugar, junk food, poverty, religiosity, multiple power outages per diem, imminent annexation by China… No. But, it’s “the drugs” that are the problem… mmm’kay? Can human beings actually be _bred_ this stupid… without genetic manipulation?! :smack: When the heads start rolling down Davao streets (and elsewhere), courtesy of the cartel-funded Abu Sayyaf ― that’s from the horse’s mouth―have friends there―was in Mindanao less than a year ago―just after those tourists were taken from Samal Island (another anti-du30 action) and du30 was coquettishly toying with running for despot ― _then_ we’ll see how “great again” dictator du30 is rendering his Third World, sex tourism archipelago. Regional security advisers were in symposium not a week ago in Australia, enunciating their concerns about the southern Philippines as Daesh’s next target for ‘caliphate treatment’. To say nothing of the problems in Zamboanga that have simmered there for generations… ‘_Kill 'em all and let their gods sort them out_’ only works when death does not begat death. That is, it doesn’t [work]. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/351 "2016-09-29T06:46:48Z")
Annexation by China? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/352 "2016-09-29T13:42:46Z")
> [@iLemming](#): > > A nation awash with alcohol, tobacco, sugar, junk food, poverty, religiosity, multiple power outages per diem, imminent annexation by China… No. Which of those do you think are responsible for the crime and violence? For the powerful drug cartels and government corruption? I mean seriously, until you got to multiple power outages, I thought you were going to rip on the USA. > [@](#): > > But, it’s “the drugs” that are the problem… mmm’kay? Well, to be fair, drugs are probably the foundation of the powerful drug cartels. Perhaps the answer is legalization of crystal methamphetamines as some posters seem to think. The Filipinos disagree and they think that killing the drug dealers is the answer. > [@](#): > > Can human beings actually be _bred_ this stupid… without genetic manipulation?! :smack: > > When the heads start rolling down Davao streets (and elsewhere), courtesy of the cartel-funded Abu Sayyaf ― that’s from the horse’s mouth―have friends there―was in Mindanao less than a year ago―just after those tourists were taken from Samal Island (another anti-du30 action) and du30 was coquettishly toying with running for despot ― _then_ we’ll see how “great again” dictator du30 is rendering his Third World, sex tourism archipelago. Coquettishly? Are we talking about the same guy? And he is not responsible for the sex industry in the Philippines. The US military presence there probably has much more to do with that than Duterte. The Phillipines is a first world country being firmly aligned with the USA during the cold war. > [@](#): > > Regional security advisers were in symposium not a week ago in Australia, enunciating their concerns about the southern Philippines as Daesh’s next target for ‘caliphate treatment’. Cite. I don’t recall the Philippines ever being part of the caliphate and I thought those guys were focused on retaking lands lost to them. > [@](#): > > To say nothing of the problems in Zamboanga that have simmered there for generations… > > ‘_Kill 'em all and let their gods sort them out_’ only works when death does not begat death. That is, it doesn’t [work]. So have the killings been leading to more killings or have they led to a reduced murder rate? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/353 "2016-09-29T13:45:23Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Annexation by China? Philippines relations with China are improving. By that token, Korea, Japan and Taiwan are also facing imminent annexation by China. Same with the USA, Africa, Europe and Australia. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/354 "2016-09-30T12:00:40Z")
[Duterte compares himself to Hitler.](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-duterte-hitler-idUSKCN1200B9) Thanks, Digong. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/355 "2016-09-30T12:48:28Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > [Duterte compares himself to Hitler.](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-duterte-hitler-idUSKCN1200B9) Thanks, Digong. Yeah, he says some pretty outrageous things. I think the Anti-defamation league has it right. His tone deafness is staggering. I am more concerned about where this is leading: [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-27/duterte-woos-military-as-opponents-warn-of-discontent-in-ranks](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-27/duterte-woos-military-as-opponents-warn-of-discontent-in-ranks) ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748/356 "2016-10-29T02:29:06Z")
Just read this: [“Philippine Mayor Accused of Drug Links by Duterte Is Killed by Police”](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/world/asia/philippines-duterte-mayor-police.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0) \*“On Friday, he and nine other men were shot dead at a highway police checkpoint, in what the police described as an antidrug operation.” "“We were really surprised when the president came out to announce it,” he told The Times by email. “Not once were we involved in drugs. In fact, we were fighting drugs. I support the president’s drug war.” He said he had been wrongly placed on the list of drug suspects because of false accusations spread by his political rivals. He said he was not afraid of an investigation."\* We are supposed to believe that the mayor himself, after being named publicly as a drug kingpin, was in a convoy transporting drugs? :dubious: How convenient none survived. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-it-works-in-the-phillipins-should-mexico-try-the-same/763748.md?page=17)