# If Jay Nixon had ran for president in 2016 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 25, 2015, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-jay-nixon-had-ran-for-president-in-2016/738506 "2015-11-25T03:33:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-jay-nixon-had-ran-for-president-in-2016/738506/21 "2015-11-26T04:37:42Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > I don’t think the military would survive a Sanders presidency. He would decimate it to pre World War I levels. Pre World War II levels. A large standing army and the military-industrial complex has only become a thing since WWII. Ask President Eisenhower, he’ll tell you. ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-jay-nixon-had-ran-for-president-in-2016/738506/22 "2015-11-26T04:42:14Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Pre World War II levels. A large standing army and the military-industrial complex has only become a thing since WWII. Ask President Eisenhower, he’ll tell you. We don’t really have a strong military right now. Yes, defense spending should be cut for some waste, but isn’t it hollow now? That’s what some friends are telling me. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-jay-nixon-had-ran-for-president-in-2016/738506/23 "2015-11-26T04:46:05Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > We don’t really have a strong military right now. The United States has the most powerful military in the world in all aspects. We have the most powerful Army, the most powerful Navy, the most powerful Air Force. Please cite proof that this is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-jay-nixon-had-ran-for-president-in-2016/738506/24 "2015-11-26T04:52:27Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > The United States has the most powerful military in the world in all aspects. We have the most powerful Army, the most powerful Navy, the most powerful Air Force. > > Please cite proof that this is wrong. This is what I found. > **[U.S. military is dangerously 'hollow'](https://thetandd.com/news/opinion/u-s-military-is-dangerously-hollow/article_aa97dbca-6def-5ff5-911b-eba95370628a.html)** > > This is the most uncertain time I’ve seen in our national security since I’ve been in uniform. … \[Yet\] in the summer of 2013, only 10 percent of the \[under ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-jay-nixon-had-ran-for-president-in-2016/738506/25 "2015-11-26T04:59:55Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > This is what I found. > [U.S. military is dangerously 'hollow'](http://thetandd.com/news/opinion/u-s-military-is-dangerously-hollow/article_aa97dbca-6def-5ff5-911b-eba95370628a.html) No, I asked for proof that the U.S. does not have the most powerful military in the world. I did not ask for an opinion from some schlub in Orangeburg County, South Carolina that the U.S. military is dangerously hollow. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-jay-nixon-had-ran-for-president-in-2016/738506/26 "2015-11-26T05:52:36Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > If Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon (D-Missouri), a \*\*centrist Democrat \*\* who is a two-term governor since 2009 and former attorney general of Missouri from 1993 to 2009 had ran for president in 2016, as a Democrat, would he have won the Democratic nomination; and would he have won the presidency of the United States? He’d be either third or fourth – one space ahead or behind O’Malley – since they’d be splitting the “we pretty much agree with Hilary’s policies\* but are iffy about her for other reasons” vote. \*Since Hillary, not unlike Nixon, is a \*\*centrist Democrat \*\*. ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-jay-nixon-had-ran-for-president-in-2016/738506/27 "2015-11-26T05:55:47Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > He’d be either third or fourth – one space ahead or behind O’Malley – since they’d be splitting the “we pretty much agree with Hilary’s policies\* but are iffy about her for other reasons” vote. > > \*Since Hillary, not unlike Nixon, is a \*\*centrist Democrat \*\*. He would be doing well in the South. How would he fare against the GOP field if he won the nomination without Ferguson? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-jay-nixon-had-ran-for-president-in-2016/738506/28 "2015-11-26T12:56:11Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > I don’t think the military would survive a Sanders presidency. He would decimate it to pre World War I levels. So much the better. That would leave America just as safe as we are now, and a whole lot richer. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-jay-nixon-had-ran-for-president-in-2016/738506/29 "2015-11-26T16:31:35Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > We don’t really have a strong military right now. Yes, defense spending should be cut for some waste, but isn’t it hollow now? That’s what some friends are telling me. The U.S. outspends the next ten countries combined militarily. Stop reading right-wing fear sites. That’s a redundancy, I know. Let me amend that. Stop reading right-wing sites. > [@GloryDays](#): > > He would be doing well in the South. How would he fare against the GOP field if he won the nomination without Ferguson? How far would he fly if he had wings? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-jay-nixon-had-ran-for-president-in-2016/738506/30 "2015-11-26T17:01:56Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > How far would he fly if he had wings? This reminds me of one of my dad’s favorite expressions, which I also try to use at every opportunity: “If a frog had wings, he wouldn’t bump his ass.” ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-jay-nixon-had-ran-for-president-in-2016/738506/31 "2015-11-26T21:59:57Z")
Not a chance. The nomination has always been Hillary’s to lose, and no one was going to beat her by running to her right. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-jay-nixon-had-ran-for-president-in-2016/738506.md?page=1)