# If Kavanaugh gets in and Roe v. Wade is overturned, what do you think that will look like? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 9, 2018, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031 "2018-09-09T00:24:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/41 "2018-09-10T23:48:31Z")
> [@EscAlaMike](#): > > In any case, abortion in the US is not going anywhere at least until society wakes up to the hell that the sexual revolution has brought about, which may take a couple more generations. That’s tough, but the good news is that you don’t have to wait to enjoy all the benefits of celibacy. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/42 "2018-09-11T00:10:48Z")
Marriage is just about the only acceptable form of celibacy. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/43 "2018-09-11T04:16:05Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Marriage is just about the only acceptable form of celibacy. Wow, where is the upvote on this forum? To the OP: Roe v. Wade is overturned and you want to know what it will look like? It will look like a huge generation of Democrats being born. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/44 "2018-09-11T04:26:54Z")
> [@EscAlaMike](#): > > In any case, abortion in the US is not going anywhere at least until society wakes up to the hell that the sexual revolution has brought about 😕 Well, that **EscAlaMike** d quickly. What exactly is this alleged “hell” from the sexual revolution? Premarital sex? Gay rights? More non-monogamous consensual relationships? Declining membership in celibate religious orders? Not seeing what we’re supposed to be all worried about as a result of the sexual revolution. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/45 "2018-09-11T05:03:11Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > What exactly is this alleged “hell” from the sexual revolution? Premarital sex? Gay rights? More non-monogamous consensual relationships? Declining membership in celibate religious orders? Not seeing what we’re supposed to be all worried about as a result of the sexual revolution. Widespread hanky panky and an outbreak of shenanigans. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/46 "2018-09-11T06:49:48Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I think from a legal standpoint, it would be fairly easy. The Justices would announce that there is a foetal right to life in the Constitution and that this right to life supersedes the woman’s right to privacy. > > Legally, it’s a hard argument to refute. The basis of Roe is an implied right to privacy. So how can you argue that there’s a foundation for an implied right to privacy in the Constitution and there isn’t one for an implied foetal right to life? If you argue there are implied rights then one has just as strong a case as the other. If you argue against implied rights, you have to throw out both of them and you lose Roe anyway. And if you accept that both of these rights exist, it’s hard to argue that a right to life doesn’t outweigh a right to privacy. No way. Persons are understood as born persons. The alternative view is pushed by religious activists, whose goals are frustrated by the 1st Amendment separation of Church and State. The not-so-implied secularism of the government defined by the Constitution suggests the Founders implied privacy but not fetal right to life. Nonetheless the Right may find a way, in which case when a priest molests your 14-year old, she will have to carry the resulting child to term, exactly the way God has always intended. At least in the, well, not slave states, not the red States exactly, but in a mishmash of places. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/47 "2018-09-11T08:27:56Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > … > Nonetheless the Right may find a way, in which case when a priest molests your 14-year old, she will have to carry the resulting child to term, exactly the way God has always intended. At least in the, well, **not slave states** , not the red States exactly, but in a mishmash of places. Any state that requires a 14 year old rape victim to carry a fetus to term is, at least in my mind, a slave state. Maybe the 13th amendment would make a better argument than the right to privacy. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/48 "2018-09-11T09:26:09Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > I think **kenobi 65** pretty much nailed it. Changes will occur on a state level and if you’re relatively well off and in a blue state it will likely not affect you, but if you’re poor and in a red state you’re going to see you options reduced to risking your very life for an illegal remedy, traveling out of state if you can afford it, or giving birth. …whether you can afford it or not. (the last bit, I mean) And I expect that, as there were in Spain when abortions were completely illegal, there will be doctors and midwives providing “procedures”. It’s not an abortion, it’s a “procedure”. But you’ll need to know which doctors and midwives, and you’ll need to know either how to ask for it (if you want one) or how to make it clear that you don’t want one (if that’s the case). Those doctors and their personnel will be facing prison, but it will happen. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/49 "2018-09-11T11:35:55Z")
There would probably be a black market in abortifacients. ---
**Author:** ![EscAlaMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/escalamike/32/4177_2.png) [@EscAlaMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EscAlaMike)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/50 "2018-09-11T14:05:42Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > There was more unwanted pregnancies and infidelity \*before \*the sexual revolution. Source? > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And plenty of abortions, they were just more dangerous. All abortions are dangerous to the child. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And women not being slaves isn’t a “hell”. You think women aren’t slaves now? ---
**Author:** ![EscAlaMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/escalamike/32/4177_2.png) [@EscAlaMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EscAlaMike)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/51 "2018-09-11T14:17:55Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > 😕 Well, that **EscAlaMike** d quickly. > > What exactly is this alleged “hell” from the sexual revolution? Premarital sex? Gay rights? More non-monogamous consensual relationships? Declining membership in celibate religious orders? Not seeing what we’re supposed to be all worried about as a result of the sexual revolution. When the majority of children grow up in a home that does not consist of biological father and mother, when pornography is ubiquitous, when sex is completely separated from procreation, when society defines “love” as “sodomy”, when the vast majority of society has no clue what marriage is, etc. etc. etc. then there will be repercussions. It’s just an inevitable fact. I can’t predict what that will look like, but I think we’ve been getting previews of it. Eg. rape culture and an entitlement attitude toward sex, prevalence of depression and other MH disorders, prevalence of divorce, etc. ---
**Author:** ![EscAlaMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/escalamike/32/4177_2.png) [@EscAlaMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EscAlaMike)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/52 "2018-09-11T14:18:59Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > That’s tough, but the good news is that you don’t have to wait to enjoy all the benefits of celibacy. Celibacy…you keep using that word, I don’t think it means what you think it means. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/53 "2018-09-11T15:03:51Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Any state that requires a 14 year old rape victim to carry a fetus to term is, at least in my mind, a slave state. > > Maybe the 13th amendment would make a better argument than the right to privacy. Agreed. Making women carry a fetus to term against their will reduces them to chattel. After the Supremes overturn _Roe vs. Wade,_ the anti-choicers are going to have to repeal 13A. Good luck with that. > [@EscAlaMike](#): > > You think women aren’t slaves now? Let me ask my employer, the successful female attorney, about that, and get back to you. :dubious: > [@EscAlaMike](#): > > Celibacy…you keep using that word, I don’t think it means what you think it means. No, he’s using the word correctly. You, OTOH, are getting your hair parted from the _whoosh._ ---
**Author:** ![EscAlaMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/escalamike/32/4177_2.png) [@EscAlaMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EscAlaMike)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/54 "2018-09-11T15:31:45Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > No, he’s using the word correctly. You, OTOH, are getting your hair parted from the _whoosh._ Please humor me. The joke only works if our options as humans are either “complete sexual liberty” or “complete celibacy”. Since there are an infinite amount of options in between those two extremes, my only logical conclusion is that Vinyl Turnip and elucidator don’t know what “celibacy” means. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/55 "2018-09-11T15:55:20Z")
> [@EscAlaMike](#): > > Please humor me. Mockery or indifference would be more rational approaches to you. ---
**Author:** ![EscAlaMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/escalamike/32/4177_2.png) [@EscAlaMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EscAlaMike)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/56 "2018-09-11T16:00:52Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Mockery or indifference would be more rational approaches to you. Why? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/57 "2018-09-11T16:14:30Z")
Cite? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/58 "2018-09-11T16:22:15Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > 😕 Well, that **EscAlaMike** d quickly. > > What exactly is this alleged “hell” from the sexual revolution? Premarital sex? Gay rights? More non-monogamous consensual relationships? Declining membership in celibate religious orders? Not seeing what we’re supposed to be all worried about as a result of the sexual revolution. Uppity wimmins refusing to be subservient to their impregnator lords and masters. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/59 "2018-09-11T16:26:27Z")
> [@EscAlaMike](#): > > Please humor me. The joke only works if our options as humans are either “complete sexual liberty” or “complete celibacy”. Since there are an infinite amount of options in between those two extremes, my only logical conclusion is that Vinyl Turnip and elucidator don’t know what “celibacy” means. “Complete sexual liberty” _includes_ celibacy as an option, dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![EscAlaMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/escalamike/32/4177_2.png) [@EscAlaMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EscAlaMike)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031/60 "2018-09-11T16:28:11Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Uppity wimmins refusing to be subservient to their impregnator lords and masters. Do I come off as some kind of patriarchal misogynist? Because that is ridiculous and I don’t take those suggestions seriously. The sexual revolution did not empower or liberate women, it continued to degrade and enslave them, but in different ways, and I would argue, more severely. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-kavanaugh-gets-in-and-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-what-do-you-think-that-will-look-like/821031.md?page=4)