# If liberals don't like the politics in red states... **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 6, 2020, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171 "2020-06-06T22:00:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/21 "2020-06-07T02:57:18Z")
Because the frequent threats and remarks based on my perceived group identities that I’ve experienced in some of those locales are a giant flashing NO sign. ---
**Author:** ![Turki-lurki](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turki-lurki/32/7168_2.png) [@Turki-lurki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turki-lurki)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/22 "2020-06-07T03:49:24Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Conservatives bitch constantly about politics in blue states. Why don’t they move there and turn them red? Because there are not enough conservatives to do that. Remember, they lost the last popular election. As current trends in demographics go, they will be diluted out in a decade or so. Well, if we still have constitutional government. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/23 "2020-06-07T04:14:19Z")
> [@alnath](#): > > Remember, they lost the last popular election. There’s no such thing as a popular election. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/24 "2020-06-07T05:08:56Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > There’s no such thing as a popular election. Quit being pedantic. It’s obvious that they meant the popular vote. How about actually contributing to a thread rather than doing nothing more than picking nits? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/25 "2020-06-07T05:10:57Z")
Yeah, right. I’m fixin’ to move from here in Hawaii to North Dakota any day now. Not! ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/26 "2020-06-07T08:13:10Z")
I can’t see anyone except maybe an idealistic youth moving to a place simply to have an influence on their politics. And there’s no guarantee the person’s politics would stay the same if they did move. What may have seemed an important issue in Brooklyn may not be as important after living for a few years in Mississippi. Your social circle back in Brooklyn may be all no compromises, go big or go home and pick the real liberal candidate or else. Then, in Mississippi, you might see things differently as you see what a huge lift it would be for even the most moderate candidate to even have a prayer of winning. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/27 "2020-06-07T08:20:00Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Conservatives bitch constantly about politics in blue states. Why don’t they move there and turn them red? They could achieve the same effect but in a different way. If several million conservatives left California and New York and all emigrated to, say, Texas, they would simultaneously swell Texas’ Electoral College representation while also stripping CA and NY of electors. This would also prevent Texas from flipping blue. The downside is that the effect wouldn’t be felt until the next Census kicked in. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/28 "2020-06-07T08:49:27Z")
> [@CastletonSnob](#): > > If liberals don’t like the politics in red states… > Why don’t they just move there, and turn them blue? We’re all here to learn. I want to learn WHY you ask this question. To save time, you may choose from this list: (A) **CastletonSnob** is sincerely curious why “liberals” prefer to live in “liberal” states. (B) **CastletonSnob** is offering sincere advice to “liberals” who want to improve the U.S. (C) **CastletonSnob** thinks this is some ‘Gotcha’ that exposes “liberal” hypocrisy. (D) Other. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ I DO hope you respond. My question is sincere, whether yours is or not. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/29 "2020-06-07T09:07:36Z")
> [@CastletonSnob](#): > > What makes like in Wyoming hard? You really don’t know? It’s hard to tell if any of your questions are in good faith. Wyoming has nothing in it except extreme weather, the Rocky Mountains, range cattle, and resource extraction. It has fewer people than Vermont. Please try to imagine why this would be. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/30 "2020-06-07T09:38:08Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > You really don’t know? It’s hard to tell if any of your questions are in good faith. > > Wyoming has nothing in it except extreme weather, the Rocky Mountains, range cattle, and resource extraction. It has fewer people than Vermont. Please try to imagine why this would be. Not to mention, y’know, Wyomingites. Like Dick Cheney. ---
**Author:** ![CastletonSnob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ea924/32.png) [@CastletonSnob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CastletonSnob)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/31 "2020-06-07T11:29:21Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > We’re all here to learn. I want to learn WHY you ask this question. To save time, you may choose from this list: > (A) **CastletonSnob** is sincerely curious why “liberals” prefer to live in “liberal” states. > (B) **CastletonSnob** is offering sincere advice to “liberals” who want to improve the U.S. > (C) **CastletonSnob** thinks this is some ‘Gotcha’ that exposes “liberal” hypocrisy. > (D) Other. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > I DO hope you respond. My question is sincere, whether yours is or not. B. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/32 "2020-06-07T11:40:08Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Conservatives bitch constantly about politics in blue states. Why don’t they move there and turn them red? > [@alnath](#): > > Because there are not enough conservatives to do that. … It’s beautiful when you put it that way! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/33 "2020-06-07T12:05:42Z")
As an aside: If you live in a place with a lot of liberals, you’re likely to be liberal. If you live in a place with a lot of conservatives, you’re likely to be… still liberal. The people who are likely to be conservatives are those who live in places with few liberals or conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/34 "2020-06-07T12:16:20Z")
Quite a few people from PR moved to Florida after Hurricane Maria and they are probably not voting for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/35 "2020-06-07T12:33:50Z")
There are a lot of black Democrats in red state America And the GOP goes to great lengths to suppress their votes. If red state America had free and fair elections, a lot of it would already be blue. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/36 "2020-06-07T12:43:38Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > There’s no such thing as a popular election. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/37 "2020-06-07T15:50:54Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > You really don’t know? It’s hard to tell if any of your questions are in good faith. > > Wyoming has nothing in it except extreme weather, the Rocky Mountains, range cattle, and resource extraction. It has fewer people than Vermont. Please try to imagine why this would be. Also, television is illegal there. Or it _would_ be if Wyoming had electricity. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/38 "2020-06-07T16:25:42Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > There’s no such thing as a popular election. Meaning what–that there’s always a loser to every election? That’s true, but not very insightful. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/39 "2020-06-07T17:09:47Z")
I’ve often thought about the idea of putting in a city at the tri-state area on North Dakota, South Dakota, and Montana. Get a few million people in that city, and it turns those three states blue, and if the metropolitan area extends south enough, could start to turn Wyoming as well. Maybe put in data centers and massive work from home capability? Not sure exactly how to draw people in, even if you can finance its construction. Maybe global warming will make that area more enticing in the future. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171/40 "2020-06-07T18:13:12Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > Meaning what–that there’s always a loser to every election? That’s true, but not very insightful. I think the (pedantic) point is that the Presidential election isn’t a popular vote (at least, not on a national level), which is, of course, true. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-liberals-dont-like-the-politics-in-red-states/855171.md?page=3)