# If Lieberman Loses On Tuesday... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 6, 2006, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541 "2006-08-06T07:41:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/121 "2006-08-09T02:38:55Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Apparently someone’s projected Lamont as the winner. Not counting on it yet, though. I’d like to at least see most of Hartford reporting. [/QUOTE] Being somewhat familiar with the area, I doubt Lamant has much to worry about in Harford. Lieberman’s chances are in places like New London (Electric Boat). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/122 "2006-08-09T02:43:30Z")
CNN (citing AP) [is also calling it for Lamont, 52-48.](http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/08/democratic.primaries/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Generic\_American](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f07891/32.png) [@Generic\_American](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Generic_American)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/123 "2006-08-09T02:51:46Z")
Finally, the \*\*Kossacks \*\*prove they can defeat… Democrats? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/124 "2006-08-09T02:55:46Z")
[QUOTE=Generic American] Finally, the \*\*Kossacks \*\*prove they can defeat… Democrats? [/QUOTE] That’s if you really consider Lieberman a Democrat instead of a funny little troll who lives in Bush’s back pocket… ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/125 "2006-08-09T03:01:35Z")
[QUOTE=Generic American] Finally, the \*\*Kossacks \*\*prove they can defeat… Democrats? [/QUOTE] Just going by memory: I do remember seeing an article that shows Kossacks already supported the winners in other contests. Food for thought: The Daily Kos guy was already on record that unlike Joe Liberman, he would support whoever was the winner of the primary in the general election. Yes, even Joe. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/126 "2006-08-09T03:04:50Z")
Well, it’s 51.92 to 48.08% with 95.3% reporting. Kos should call this already! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/127 "2006-08-09T03:08:57Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] Kos should call this already! :mad: [/QUOTE] What difference does that make? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/128 "2006-08-09T03:10:10Z")
With 714 of 748 precincts in (Lamontt 139,496; Loserman 129,271), here’s what’s still out: #Pr. Town 9 Wallingford 9 Enfield 5 S. Windsor 5 Bridgeport (out of 25) 3 Litchfield (out of 4) 3 Haddam Stick a fork in it - it’s done. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/129 "2006-08-09T03:14:04Z")
[QUOTE=GIGObuster] Just going by memory: I do remember seeing an article that shows Kossacks already supported the winners in other contests. [/QUOTE] The lefty blogsphere started off 2-0 by supporting Ben Chandler and Stephanie Herseth in their special elections in early 2004. And it’s not like they did any worse than anyone else on the Dem side that fall. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/130 "2006-08-09T03:23:51Z")
With Lamont still ahead by 10,000, and only 15 precincts remaining, AP has projected Lamont as the winner. Sore Loserman has already announced he’ll go indy - to “unite, not divide.” (We’ve never heard _that_ line before. :rolleyes:\*\*) What a maroon. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/131 "2006-08-09T03:42:20Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] With Lamont still ahead by 10,000, and only 15 precincts remaining, AP has projected Lamont as the winner. Sore Loserman has already announced he’ll go indy - to “unite, not divide.” (We’ve never heard _that_ line before. :rolleyes:\*\*) What a maroon. [/QUOTE] Go for it Joe! 🙂 Some reports I heard on the radio mentioned that it seems many democrats like Clinton gave their support to Lieberman with the understanding that Lieberman was going to support Lammont in case of the later winning, party unity and all that, Lieberman shows was a maroon he is indeed; but a very useful maroon: this will keep the debate on the Iraq War and the medical rights of families in the press all the way to November. As I noticed, Lieberman almost closed the gap by openly confronting the President on Iraq, the only way Lieberman would win IMHO will be to show even more confrontation to Bush, if he goes for the Republican support I do think he is toast, the support he got at the very end was by distancing himself more from Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/132 "2006-08-09T03:43:37Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] With Lamont still ahead by 10,000, and only 15 precincts remaining, AP has projected Sore Loserman has already announced he’ll go indy [/QUOTE] [Ed Koch: I’m Backing Independent Lieberman](http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/8/8/232848.shtml) I wonder who the Dems will assign to the Armed Services, Environment, Government Affairs, and Small Business committees now? It’d be _nice_ of them to let Lieberman serve out his term, but this is politics. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/133 "2006-08-09T03:44:42Z")
What are Lieberman’s realistic chances if he goes Independant? Isn’t this a good strategy to split the Republican vote? (Not that I have any idea what the Republican’s chances are in the state in any case…I assume bad). Just curious. -XT ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/134 "2006-08-09T03:59:10Z")
[QUOTE=xtisme] What are Lieberman’s realistic chances if he goes Independant? Isn’t this a good strategy to split the Republican vote? (Not that I have any idea what the Republican’s chances are in the state in any case…I assume bad). Just curious. -XT [/QUOTE] It is dangerous to rely in memory only :), but I’m doing ok, I saw a poll 2 weeks ago that in a three way race, both Lieberman and Lammont came close (the Republican was not much a factor). With Lieberman barely winning, but that was then. Before Lieberman found traction recently by being more public on taking on Bush regarding the war, his numbers really took a dive among democratas when he began to hint about runing as an independent if he did lose. IMHO Lieberman is toast if he even hints of looking for Republican support. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/135 "2006-08-09T04:06:07Z")
[QUOTE=xtisme] What are Lieberman’s realistic chances if he goes Independant? [/quote] That question (along with a great many others of tangential or doubtful relevance) was discussed at very great length (as were they all) in [this thread.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=378454) I guess now we get a chance to find out for real. [QUOTE=xtisme] Isn’t this a good strategy to split the Republican vote? [/QUOTE] If you were a Connecticut Republican and your choices for senator were Lamont (D), Lieberman (I), or Schlesinger (R), how would you vote? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/136 "2006-08-09T04:12:35Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] If you were a Connecticut Republican and your choices for senator were Lamont (D), Lieberman (I), or Schlesinger (R), how would you vote? [/QUOTE] No idea. The only one I know anything about is Lieberman. I suppose I’d have to do my research and see where they all stand on the issues that are important to me. -XT ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/137 "2006-08-09T04:14:49Z")
[QUOTE=xtisme] No idea. The only one I know anything about is Lieberman. I suppose I’d have to do my research and see where they all stand on the issues that are important to me. -XT [/QUOTE] I said, **if** you were a Republican. Not a Libertarian or libertarian. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/138 "2006-08-09T05:11:57Z")
[QUOTE=GIGObuster] It is dangerous to rely in memory only :), but I’m doing ok, I saw a poll 2 weeks ago that in a three way race, both Lieberman and Lammont came close (the Republican was not much a factor). With Lieberman barely winning, but that was then. Before Lieberman found traction recently by being more public on taking on Bush regarding the war, his numbers really took a dive among democratas when he began to hint about runing as an independent if he did lose. IMHO Lieberman is toast if he even hints of looking for Republican support. [/QUOTE] Are you sure? This poll says otherwise (it’s dated July 20) > [@](#): > > [Lamont Inches Ahead Of Lieberman In Dem Primary, Quinnipiac University Connecticut Poll Finds; Incumbent Still Leads In 3-Way November Matchup](http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11362.xml?ReleaseID=940) > > In possible general election matchups: > > ``` > * Lieberman defeats Republican challenger Alan Schlesinger 68 - 15 percent; > * Lamont beats Schlesinger 45 - 22 percent, with 24 percent undecided; > * Running as an independent, Lieberman gets 51 percent, to 27 percent for Lamont and 9 percent for Schlesinger. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/139 "2006-08-09T05:26:15Z")
I think the key for Lieberman is if he’s able to maintain the endorsements he had going into the primary. I can see 3 scenarios, and I don’t know which one is going to play out: 1. Clinton and at least a few other big-name Dems maintain their support for JL thru the November election. JL wins pretty easily. 2. Clinton and the other Dems drop JL, but don’t throw their support behind Lamant. That makes it a tough fight, and depends on how JL runs his campaign. I think he has a good chance to win, but it’s not slam dunk. 3. Some of the big-name Dems throw their support behind Lamant. JL is toast, and might even pull out. I keep hearing talking heads on the news saying they have “umimpeachable sources” that tell them Lieberman is going to run no matter what. I don’t know who those sources are-- except that they obviously aren’t Clinton. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2006, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541/140 "2006-08-09T05:45:34Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Are you sure? This poll says otherwise (it’s dated July 20) [/QUOTE] I did not say I was sure, in any case, from the link: > [@](#): > > Anti-war Connecticut U.S. Senate candidate Ned Lamont has surged to a razor-thin 51 - 47 percent lead over incumbent Sen. Joseph Lieberman among likely Democratic primary voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. That means this comes just before the polls turned real ugly for Lieberman, He then began to improve as soon he became more public against Bush, too late. Then Lieberman had the support of many important democrats. Last I saw in the news, the support is beginning to go for the winner of the contest, as it should be, this is an item that no previous poll IMO had had to deal with. I’m mindful that Lieberman can still win, but I see him winning only if he continues to jump on Bush to reinforce the idea he has seen the light (Great headlines coming soon from the otherwise lazy mainstream media) This is the reason why I personally don’t see this as a democratic disaster as many on the right are bloviating about. Of course his victory will happen only if he shows he is not relying in Republicans, A tall order based on amusing “partisan” remarks from Lieberman at his “concession” speech. I do think his now apparent burning of bridges idea will not be amusing to the Democratic voters and neither to the Republicans: Lieberman will have to show how mainstream he still is, since the mainstream is going against the Iraq war and other things Republican, I do think it is the Republicans that should had been more careful on what they claimed they wished. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-lieberman-loses-on-tuesday/367541.md?page=8)