# If not the Green Line, then what line should be the Israel-Palestine border? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 22, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805 "2011-05-22T19:51:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2011, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/261 "2011-06-04T01:56:59Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Where did I say WWII? What is the deal with pro-zionists using “I know more than you” as their first line of defense? Yeah, I know zionism started before that but the riots you talk about all started after WWI and the Balfour Declaration, didn’t they. So what’s your point? Major violence started in the teens and twenties…but antisemitism had always been there. I’m sure immigration made it worse. The Syrians were not known for diplomacy. > [@](#): > > You have a cite for the notion that the anti-semitism was a result of Jewish improvements to land? I know land purchases after the balfour declaration had something to do with it but the notion that it was the result of arabs getting mad that jews cultivated land and increased their value is news to me. Please cite. I would like to be enlightened by someone as knowledgable as yourself. Would probably have something to do with the Jews buying land, building infrastructure, employing non-Jewish Palestinians as well as themselves and having support for a country. They were becoming more viable. They also did buy the best land. Later, as non-arable land became suburbs and tourists spots, I’m sure it contributed to Palestinian anger. (What was Eliat before it was there?) Not all Muslims or all Arabs are antisemitic nor were then. But as far as key players go, the Jewish State was something they were always opposed to. Even in the 1800s there was anti-Jewish sentiment. > [@](#): > > They bought about 6% of it before 1948, they took the rest in a war in 1948 (and a bit more in several wars after that). At least that is my understanding. how do YOU think they got the land? And one per cent did Arabs have land deeds to? Cite, please. > [@](#): > > I’m not sure what you mean by Jewish quarter but I recognize that the arab states stole land from teh jews and they should probably chip in to the restitution that the Palestinians eventually get. It’s in East Jerusalem. Was there well before 1948. > [@](#): > > So you think Israel is faultless. Gotcha. And therein lies the problem. No balance in your perspective. No. I said I wouldn’t blame Israel for the terrorist attacks. > [@](#): > > I thought we were talking about the 1967 borders and as a result we were talking about who started the 1967 war (because some people were portraying this as Israel taking land after getting invaded rather than Israel taking land as a result of a war that they started). We are talking about the 67 borders, but Israel did not start a war with Jordan (who controlled the WB at the time.) > [@](#): > > I disagree. I think that arab nations that ejected Jews and stoel their land should chip in to the restitution fund but fighting Israel in 1948 was entirely justified. Of course. The idea of Jews having their own state is just tolerable. Right? > [@](#): > > I think you and the palestinians have a very different definition of the word available. No one was there. They had permission first by the Ottoman Empire and then the British. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And are they threatening to deny us access to those military bases going forward? Of course not, that’s not what you were talking about. > > Here is your original post 26 that began this tangent: > > You subsequently cleared up that you meant the US security when talking about secruity in the last sentence. I’ve been trying to figure out what the Israel Egypt border has to do with US security. > > My point was that, while you deny it, you seem to think that our foreign aid should be contingent on how well Egypt serves Israeli interests and frankly I think that is a sentiment that runs a bit too deeply around Washington. > > BTW, what benefit do WE get for aid to Israel? I should’ve been clearer. We do give Egypt aid, and it’s really pretty pithy. The average Egyptian doesn’t see any. Mubarak saw benefit, however. As far as what we get from Israel: Oh, I donno, how about intelligence, technology, anti ballistic missile system…? The technology we get thanks to Israel’s military (medical & tactical) is amazing. You can thank Israel for things like ICQ, more energy efficient cars, ag technology, developments in science & medicine…but seriously, in a world without Israel as our ally, we are a disadvantage from a foreign policy standpoint. Finally, Israel really is our ally. The U.S. does nothing for fun or just to be nice. Let’s get real here. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/262 "2011-06-04T02:27:51Z")
Concerning land: Not every square inch of land was “owned” by someone. If early Zionists “stole” anything, it was the rights of the Bedouin in the Negev. There’s a British/Indian comparison if you like. But there’s a difference between “privately owned” land v. JNF land and “unclaimed land”. So when I say _available_ I really do mean, _available_. There was nothing built. Jews did buy from absentee landlords and local Arabs. I don’t know how that qualifies as stealing. If they stole it from anyone, they stole it from Great Britian…except…nope…they pulled out. So I’m asking you, how much _privately owned land_ was in the hands of Arabs pre-48 and they had the deeds to show for it? Also, if there is any strip of land in the WB not ‘owned’ by someone privately, does this mean it’s anyone’s claim? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805.md?page=13)