# If not the Green Line, then what line should be the Israel-Palestine border? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 22, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805 "2011-05-22T19:51:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Naxos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/50afbb/32.png) [@Naxos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Naxos)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/161 "2011-05-30T00:08:08Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > […] > > I have to admit, I’m always surprised that people regularly accuse Israel of “genocide” but never say France, who’s actions in Algeria were far worse. > > If anyone wishes to prove me wrong, please link me to a single post where a doper has accused France of genocide. > […] So, it would be genocide if only someone would accuse France of genocide too? Israel is an imposed political entity based on a religious belief that other people’s land belongs to a group of people that happened to be born from a specific female’s genital pathway. The rest is just religious intolerance, hate and mental disorder. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/162 "2011-05-30T00:10:00Z")
> [@Naxos](#): > > Israel is an imposed political entity based on a religious belief that other people’s land belongs to a group of people that happened to be born from a specific female’s genital pathway. You were just told to stop spewing this line, (or provide evidence for it that applies to more than a tiny minority of Israelis). You are about to start collecting Warnings for trolling. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Naxos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/50afbb/32.png) [@Naxos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Naxos)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/163 "2011-05-30T00:19:43Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > You were just told to stop spewing this line, (or provide evidence for it that applies to more than a tiny minority of Israelis). You are about to start collecting Warnings for trolling. > > [/Moderating] I’m sorry, I don’t mean to upset people. I will refrain from posting in Israel related posts on this forum. As a last call, the claim of divine purpose of particular people inhabiting a particular land is irrefutable. This is what I was referring to and commenting about. Take care. I’m out of Israeli occupation talk 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/164 "2011-05-30T00:25:18Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I have to admit, I’m always surprised that people regularly accuse Israel of “genocide” but never say France, who’s actions in Algeria were far worse. Probably must have meant ethnic cleansing. BTW, France got a lot of heat during the Algerian war precisely because of its actions. But I guess France should have followed the path suggested here by other posters and tell the world to go fuck itself with its moral reprimands. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/165 "2011-05-30T00:42:42Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > Being an Isareli is not shameful. Being proud of your country that happens to be Israel is not shameful. Pointing out facts to place events in context is not shameful. Nor did anyone say they were. Embracing terror and death in the cause of tribalist territorialism is shameful. Refusing to learn from the past is shameful. > [@](#): > > What is shameful is someone being okay with displacing six million Jews because of some bad propaganda, even when the facts scream otherwise The facts scream that they displaced themselves, and to places that others had been displaced from earlier. Now what does their being Jews have to do with it? How is that not just more special pleading? > [@](#): > > What is shameful is blaming Israel for _everything_, and I mean everything, no matter who is in charge. Using strawmen and excluded middles is, too. Something else that’s shameful is placing all blame and all responsibility for the continued lack of peace there on the Palestinians. The latter has been seen in this thread, the former has not. > [@](#): > > What is shameful is making excuses for suicide bombers. Not as shameful as making shit up. > [@](#): > > What is shameful is turning a blind eye to a Fatah-Hamas union [after we supported Fatah and trained men in good faith] while pointing fingers at Netanyahu for being anxious about it. A. What good faith? and B. “Anxious”? :p:p:p > [@](#): > > What is shameful is this idea that you can place the fate of eleven million people on one man and everyone that is sympathetic to him Here’s a clue for you: That’s how democracy _works_. Is Israel a democracy? Do its people accept responsibility for its government and the policies they have chosen? > [@](#): > > what is shameful is this idea that you can do that, place all of the blame and responsibility on one party and absolve everyone else of the rest. Which is what we see in every statement placing all that blame and responsibility on the Palestinians. Here’s a fine example of that: > [@](#): > > It’s shameful to cry foul at Israel’s intercepting of a flotilla while neglecting to mention that Hamas _turned away the goods_ after Israelis checked the supplies and unloaded them. It’s shameful to call Israelis corrupt thieves while conveniently ignoring that Palestinian leadership steals their people’s aid. It’s shameful to blame Israel for the refugee problem when no less than four Arab countries kept them in squalor for twenty years. What’s shameful is wanting to hold Israel up to one idea of ‘international law’ while disregarding the blatant disrespect of human life that feeds Hamas. > [@](#): > > Is that antisemitism? You’re the first person in this thread to resort to such a claim of bigotry. > [@](#): > > Maybe you think you’re sticking up for the little guy, but in reality, you’re not. You’re sticking up for professional terrorists and puppeteers, not Palestinians. More of your excuse-making. > [@](#): > > I have been pretty calm over the last few weeks of Israel-bashing, but now I am fed up. Here’s more explanation for you: Criticizing the policies of a country’s current government is neither bashing nor a criticism of the country, or an ethnic slur against its people. To make that claim is to totally relinquish any remaining claim you may have to be willing to discuss those policies in anything resembling good faith. It’s simply “Israel, fuck yeah!” with more syllables. Now do kindly drop the totally-unsupported claims of bigotry you’ve just made here and get back on topic, will you please? :dubious: > [@](#): > > this dog and pony show the PLO has been doing for the last forty years has accomplished nothing but bloodshed and two generations of hopelessness…What’s your great idea - one that isn’t blaming it on someone else? The irony of that paragraph. > [@](#): > > You do get that Jews everywhere have been dealing with this for the last few thousand years? Don’t worry; I’ll spare you the stories about concentration camps and endless wars and hostages and blown-up schoolbuses. So yes, you have indeed not learned anything except that “It’s our turn _now_, baby!” Thanks for the confirmation, at least. What a shame. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/166 "2011-05-30T00:54:15Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Probably must have meant ethnic cleansing. BTW, France got a lot of heat during the Algerian war precisely because of its actions. > But I guess France should have followed the path suggested here by other posters and tell the world to go fuck itself with its moral reprimands. I think you’re being a bit unfair to Naxos by suggesting he was so ignorant that he thought ethnic cleansing constituted genocide. I’m also a bit confused by the suggestion that France should have “told the world to fuck off” where it’s conduct in Algeria was concerned. That’s what they did and that’s why Degaulle campaigned on the slogan “Algeria Francais”(sp). France eventually pulled out because they lost, not because they gave in to international opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/167 "2011-05-30T00:57:07Z")
You’re placing the responsibility of the lives of Israelis\* and \*Palestinians on Netanyahu. That’s pretty ridiculous, but since you seem to side with the PLO, I can’t really argue with you much further. There’s nothing to say. You buy into the myth that a bunch of Jews arrived in Palestine and drove out these poor Arabs who were just minding their olive trees. edit : @ elvis ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/168 "2011-05-30T01:02:31Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I think you’re being a bit unfair to Naxos by suggesting he was so ignorant that he thought ethnic cleansing constituted genocide. > > I’m also a bit confused by the suggestion that France should have “told the world to fuck off” where it’s conduct in Algeria was concerned. > > That’s what they did and that’s why Degaulle campaigned on the slogan “Algeria Francais”(sp). Well, I’m sure De Gaulle wouldnt have campaigned with a pidgin slogan. He probably would have used French. > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > France eventually pulled out because they lost, not because they gave in to international opinion. That’s certainly not what they did. There was considerable international pressure, especially from the US, on France during the Algerian war. France pulled out because of international pressure, internal pressure and the costs associated with the war (financial and moral). The FLN hardly ever scored any military victories, but that’s not the point when you’re fighting an anti-colonial/guerilla war. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/169 "2011-05-30T01:05:01Z")
> [@Naxos](#): > > As a last call, the claim of divine purpose of particular people inhabiting a particular land is irrefutable. This is what I was referring to and commenting about. Aside from its general incoherence, the point of this statement is still something that applies to only a tiny minority of Israelis. It is not so much “irrefutable” as irrelevant. Since you have nothing but unsupported assertions to make on the topic, staying out of these threads is probably a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/170 "2011-05-30T01:09:47Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > That’s certainly not what they did. There was considerable international pressure, especially from the US, on France during the Algerian war. > France pulled out because of international pressure, internal pressure and the costs associated with the war (financial and moral). The FLN hardly ever scored any military victories, but that’s not the point when you’re fighting an anti-colonial/guerilla war. This was during the period when France was simply telling the U.S. to drop dead on a whole host of issues. I am afraid trhat you are going to have to document any “international pressure” and just how it affected French decisions. Being forced out by internal pressure and cost is pretty much the definition of “losing” a guerrilla war–just as the U.S. and U.S.S.R. found in Vietnam and Afghanistan. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/171 "2011-05-30T01:20:57Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > Being an Isareli is not shameful. Being proud of your country that happens to be Israel is not shameful. Pointing out facts to place events in context is not shameful. … > > What is … > > Dead ones. Okay. So … What should be the border between Palestine and Israel? ---
**Author:** ![Naxos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/50afbb/32.png) [@Naxos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Naxos)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/172 "2011-05-30T01:34:51Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Aside from its general incoherence, the point of this statement is still something that applies to only a tiny minority of Israelis. It is not so much “irrefutable” as irrelevant. Since you have nothing but unsupported assertions to make on the topic, staying out of these threads is probably a good idea. See? Apart of the divine purpose to land grab and kill indiscriminately, there’s nothing else that justifies the Iraeli nation at the geographical area they insist to occupy. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/173 "2011-05-30T01:37:56Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Being forced out by internal pressure and cost is pretty much the definition of “losing” a guerrilla war–just as the U.S. and U.S.S.R. found in Vietnam and Afghanistan. > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > France eventually pulled out because they lost, not because they gave in to international opinion. Problems in reading **tomndebb**? **Ibn Warraq** ’s point seemed to have been that France pulled out of Algeria because of military defeat. Anybody with even superficial knowledge of the Algerian war knows that that war was lost following the now traditional asymetric warfare plot. Which is exactly what I wrote. I dont really understand what your remark adds except some incomprehension of what both \*\*Ibn Warraq \*\*and I have written. > [@tomndebb](#): > > This was during the period when France was simply telling the U.S. to drop dead on a whole host of issues. I’m afraid you’re confusing the French 4th Republic and the 5th. If you meant the 5th, it backed the US on a whole lot of issues as well, so then again, I dont really see what your point was supposed to be here. > [@tomndebb](#): > > I am afraid trhat you are going to have to document any “international pressure” and just how it affected French decisions. I’m afraid I wont. I’m kind of surprised that a mod would ask for total derailment of a thread that’s already been derailed on a daily basis. If you or \*\*Ibn Warraq \*\*want to open a thread about the Algerian war, go ahead, I’ll join in. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/174 "2011-05-30T02:02:15Z")
[QUOTE=Naxos] See? Apart of the divine purpose to land grab and kill indiscriminately, there’s nothing else that justifies the Iraeli nation at the geographical area they insist to occupy. [/QUOTE] You mean, aside from the fact that they were already living there before there was a state of Israel? And leaving aside your fantasy that they have been killing indiscriminately, or that this was all part of some land grab?? Your entire rant here is completely fact free, IOW. Why engage in a discussion where it’s clear you KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT?? -XT ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/175 "2011-05-30T02:03:36Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Well, I’m sure De Gaulle wouldnt have campaigned with a pidgin slogan. He probably would have used French. Hmm… as I admitted in my post by putting in (sp) I wasn’t sure of the spelling. Yes, the proper phrase was “l’Algérie Française” but I’m not sure why you decide to make such an insult since I admitted that I wasn’t sure how to spell the phrase. For myself, I’ve never felt the need to be passive-aggressive or catty towards westerners who refer to Muslims saying “Allah Akbar” instead of “Allahu Akbar” but such a comment would have struck me as both insulting and petty. Also, since you later make such a statement as “Anybody with even superficial knowledge of the Algerian war” I would have figured you’d know what I was referring to, some I’m a bit confused by such an elaborate insult. > [@](#): > > France pulled out because of international pressure, internal pressure and the costs associated with the war (financial and moral). The FLN hardly ever scored any military victories, but that’s not the point when you’re fighting an anti-colonial/guerilla war. > [@](#): > > Problems in reading tomndebb? Ibn Warraq’s point seemed to have been that France pulled out of Algeria because of military defeat. Anybody with even superficial knowledge of the Algerian war knows that that war was lost following the now traditional asymetric warfare plot. Which is exactly what I wrote. I dont really understand what your remark adds except some incomprehension of what both Ibn Warraq and I have written. Actually, I think you misunderstood what I and Tom said. I simply said “France eventually pulled out because they lost, not because they gave in to international opinion” and tom said the same thing. You then proclaim that France did not suffer a “military defeat”. Sorry but that’s the same idiocy peddled by some who receive to recognize that the US got it’s ass spanked in Vietnam by a peasant army, but it did. No, the US suffered a military defeat in Vietnam, France suffered a military defeat in both Vietnam and Algeria and the Soviet Union suffered a military defeat in Afghanistan. When an army retreats with it’s tail between it’s legs that’s what’s called a defeat nobody how much some people try to split hairs. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/176 "2011-05-30T02:08:24Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The facts scream that they displaced themselves, and to places that others had been displaced from earlier. I’m sorry but such a comment shows really gross insensitivity to the plight of actual refugees. Until the recent immigration from the former Soviet Union the overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews were either Jews who’d been kicked out of Muslim countries or Holocaust refugees with the former outnumbering the latter. You might as well claim that the Vietnamese boat people, the Miami Cubans, or yes, the Palestinians of Jaffa “displaced themselves”. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/177 "2011-05-30T02:22:29Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Problems in reading **tomndebb**? **Ibn Warraq** ’s point seemed to have been that France pulled out of Algeria because of military defeat. Not in any post he presented here. That you jumped to the conclusion that he meant they were defeated in battle is not my reading error, although you might want to consider reading what is posted rather than what you want others to have said. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/178 "2011-05-30T02:25:40Z")
> [@Naxos](#): > > See? Apart of the divine purpose to land grab and kill indiscriminately, there’s nothing else that justifies the Iraeli nation at the geographical area they insist to occupy. So, having declared your intention to leave such threads, you return to post, again, the same baseless claim that you have failed to support? Show evidence or back off. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/179 "2011-05-30T02:39:47Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Hmm… as I admitted in my post by putting in (sp) I wasn’t sure of the spelling. Yes, the proper phrase was “l’Algérie Française” but I’m not sure why you decide to make such an insult since I admitted that I wasn’t sure how to spell the phrase. > > For myself, I’ve never felt the need to be passive-aggressive or catty towards westerners who refer to Muslims saying “Allah Akbar” instead of “Allahu Akbar” but such a comment would have struck me as both insulting and petty. > > Also, since you later make such a statement as “Anybody with even superficial knowledge of the Algerian war” I would have figured you’d know what I was referring to, some I’m a bit confused by such an elaborate insult. Dude, you’re the one that again felt the need to pontificate. You thought going for the French spelling of “French Algeria” would add some cachet and failed at it. No need to feel insulted for a snide remark. And, no, going from English to French or French to English has nothing to do with going from Arabic to English or French. Most of the spelling is settled. > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > You then proclaim that France did not suffer a “military defeat”. > Sorry but that’s the same idiocy peddled by some who receive to recognize that the US got it’s ass spanked in Vietnam by a peasant army, but it did. > No, the US suffered a military defeat in Vietnam, France suffered a military defeat in both Vietnam and Algeria and the Soviet Union suffered a military defeat in Afghanistan. > When an army retreats with it’s tail between it’s legs that’s what’s called a defeat nobody how much some people try to split hairs. > [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Anybody with even superficial knowledge of the Algerian war knows that that war was lost following the now traditional asymetric warfare plot. Which is exactly what I wrote. Well, apparently you have yet to learn that you dont need military defeat to actually lose a war. PS:added for **tomndebb** , considering \*\*Ibn Warraq \*\*just repeated the exact same statement and you posted after him, I think incomprehension wasnt too harsh a word. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805/180 "2011-05-30T02:54:11Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Dude, you’re the one that again felt the need to pontificate. You thought going for the French spelling of “French Algeria” would add some cachet and failed at it. No need to feel insulted for a snide remark. And, no, going from English to French or French to English has nothing to do with going from Arabic to English or French. Most of the spelling is settled. > > Well, apparently you have yet to learn that you dont need military defeat to actually lose a war. > > PS:added for **tomndebb** , considering \*\*Ibn Warraq \*\*just repeated the exact same statement and you posted after him, I think incomprehension wasnt too harsh a word. Sigh, I said France didn’t lose due to international pressure and you have yet to provide a shred of evidence to support this but instead have simply responded with insults, which you categorize as “snide remarks”. Anyone we’re off-topic. This conversation began by you implying that France should have “told the world to fuck off” by Israeli standards, and I pointed out that France had, as Tom also pointed out, told the World to “fuck off” gave the world the finger when lectured on Algeria and eventually retreated because the Algerians beat them, not because the World wagged their finger at them. Anyway, this conversation ignores the point the Palestinians do not have a remote chance of kicking the Jews out of Israel and into the sea, or across the Mediterranean the way the Algerians did that same to the Pied Noires(again apologies for any misspellings). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-not-the-green-line-then-what-line-should-be-the-israel-palestine-border/582805.md?page=10)