# If radical Islam is violent due to culture and not religion **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 11, 2015, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741 "2015-09-11T23:24:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/301 "2015-09-15T01:20:24Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > You must be very tired. It’s around 13,000. I was just considering the last year. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/302 "2015-09-15T01:30:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > What can you think about a culture that worships a loving Father who let his only begotten son be tortured to death? A son who begged mercy with dying words, asking why he had been forsaken? Its right there in their Bible, what else can you expect from people like that, except ruthless violence? Certainly you can’t trust them… You know what I think? I think we should burn a bible in their honor. It would be the greatest tribute I can think of. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/303 "2015-09-15T02:34:43Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > . . . Is less passionate evil less evil? . . . Actually, maybe more. Dispassionate evil implies someone has taken the time to think about it…and still gone ahead and done the evil. The Nazis were chilling, because they were the products of an educated, enlightened, progressive, advanced nation. They had every advantage of knowledge, wisdom, reason, and the history of moral philosophy, and they still acted the way they did. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/304 "2015-09-15T03:57:27Z")
> [@Stoneburg](#): > > Actually I think this quote from [The Gospel of Thomas](http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html) makes this very clear: > > Jesus is very clear that “God” does not reside in heaven (or the sea) and that priests who say so are misleading you. What Jesus is trying to explain is that what you think of as “you” (the suffering and separate little ego) is not true, and that once this is seen you will be saved/enlightened. This is the same insight as that of the Buddhas and the saints of the eastern religions. > > Christianity is basically playing the role of the pharisees today and the historical Jesus would obviously not be a fan. > > And if your argument is that “Well the Gospel of Thomas” was not included in the Bible… exactly, that’s my point. It’s not included in the Bible because it basically tears down the whole religion and mythology that Christianity is. Except that there’s no more reason to trust that the Gospel of Thomas is any more accurate than the synoptic Gospels. According to Wikipedia, scholars are divided into two camps as to the date of Thomas, but even the earliest put it at 50 - 100 CE. Which is to say, contemporaneous with Mark. The other camp puts it in the second century. So no closer to the historic Jesus than the Synoptics. > [@Stoneburg](#): > > Well if you want to state that Jesus was a ”better person” than Mohammed then I would absolutely agree. Jesus was a fully liberated human being, and as such a direct manifestation of divinity. He saw through the ego and from then on ceased to exist as a separate person, after that he was used by the Holy Spirit as a tool to heal people and spread the truth… > > …When it comes to Jesus however, the story is very different. Nothing was recorded at the time and the stories and accounts vary immensely. The only documents as far as I know that have not gone through centuries of political editing is the Dead Sea scrolls, which contains the Gospel of Thomas and the almost destroyed Gospel of Mary Magdalene. > > The problem for Christianity is that when understood properly, the teachings of Jesus that appears in these scrolls completely obliterate the mainstream Christian faith. And after the formation of Christianity, the people who were actually following the teachings of Jesus (the Gnostics) were persecuted and killed off. So if Jesus could be claimed to have formed a religion, that religion was effectively destroyed by the Christians, who ironically claimed to do it in the name of Jesus… > > …The premise of Christianity is basically that there’s a super powerful being in the sky and if you do what we tell you he will reward you after you die. Of course we can’t prove any of this to you so you have to have faith and take our word for it (but as you can see we have a very impressive office as well as official looking clothes so you can trust us). > > The premise of Jesus was nothing of the sort. He tried to explain that we are all part of God and it’s only a matter of perception that creates the illusion that you are a separate being. But he didn’t expect us to believe it, he asked us to find out for ourselves, and in the mean time we can try to avoid being assholes to each other. > > This is the same message as that of Gautama buddha and all enlightened beings through history: You are not what/who you think you are. It’s an investigation into the nature of consciousness and the universe, and it is highly practical and pragmatic. You’re not supposed to ”believe” it, you’re supposed to find out for yourself. The funny trick being that once the ”yourself” figures it out, it kind of disappears. Or rather, it understands that it was never real in the first place. > > Out of the religions that are available today, I would say that Buddhism is probably the one that is closest to the actual teachings of Jesus. > > - I use the word “enlightened” in the spiritual/buddhist sense of being liberated from the ego Whereas the message of Gnosticism is that the world was created by an evil or incompetent Demiurge, that it is an “error”, that some - but by no means all - people have a divine spark (the rest being no better than beasts), and that truth is a hidden pearl that is only accessible to the enlightened elite. Oh, and women can’t enter into Heaven unless they become male: "114. Simon Peter said to them, “Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.” Jesus said, “Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven.” I mean, honestly, whoever that itinerant preacher from Galilee actually was, and whatever he actually said, he’s become a blank slate for Christians to project any theology they can derive. And given that it’s not even historically certain that the man existed, that’s entirely understandable. But Gnosticism is no more or less a valid version of Christianity than orthodox Christianity. And to bring this hijack back to the point of the thread, I’m sure that if the Gnostic interpretation of Christianity had become orthodoxy, there would have been just as much blood on its hands as there is on those of Islam or Hinduism or communism or just about any -ism in human history. And just as much grace. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/305 "2015-09-15T04:10:15Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > . . . And to bring this hijack back to the point of the thread, I’m sure that if the Gnostic interpretation of Christianity had become orthodoxy, there would have been just as much blood on its hands as there is on those of Islam or Hinduism or communism or just about any -ism in human history. And just as much grace. I would cavil and say, not “orthodoxy,” but “state secular power.” The power of the sword, not just the decrees of the miter. That’s where it gets dangerous, and where the temptation to exercise that power has been historically irresistible. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/306 "2015-09-15T05:46:30Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I was just considering the last year. Okay, then 6,347 in 2014. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/307 "2015-09-15T10:40:49Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > You are missing the point. > > You are the one who claims that it is “the book” that causes Islam to be “bad” (in your opinion) today. Yet you have provided no explanation why the “bad” Islam of the 21st century has only arisen in the 21st century without showing itself for the previous 1400 years. The issue is not that there have been some good Muslims over the last 1400 years. The issue is that the vast majority of Muslims in the last 1400 years have not behaved any differently than other peoples in that time. You have no explanation for that and have resolutely run way and avoided dealing with the issue. > > And you can choose to not respond to me, (since you have no argument), but that will not prevent me from pointing out your persistent errors. > > You also abuse the language by calling me an apologist for Islam. I am neither an apologist in the legitimate sense nor an apologist in the way that the word has been abused in the last few years. I have not promoted Muslim belief and I have condemned the Wahhabist faction that has promoted this recent radical movement in Islam that leads to the matters that bother you. However, in the spirit of The Straight Dope, I choose to deal with facts so that I do not use poor logic based on ignorance to promote my beliefs. > > And, once again, you are moving the goalposts. Your OP asked whether it was religion or culture that caused Muslim violence with no reference to any scripture. However, you are now cherry picking specific verses, (verses with parallels in the Jewish and Christian bible), to talk about a limited number of evil things committed by a limited number of people. You then go on to act as though there is something substantially different between the Qur’an and the Bible that makes Muslims substantially different from Christians and Jews. The Christians and Jews ignoring the similar commands in the Bible are simply omitted from your discussion while you fixate, (based on this thread, perseverate), on the evils of the Qur’an–an issue not even mentioned in your OP. > > If you wanted to simply rant about your problems with the Qur’an, I could still move this thread to The BBQ Pit where rants are encouraged. If you wanted to debate, you should go learn enough about the Qur’an (and the Bible), and Muslim (and Chrisitian and Jewish) history to defend whatever hypothesis you actually wanted to defend instead of this small rant based in ignorance. LOL They took over north africa and spain by by force, didnt they? that sounds pretty bad to me. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/308 "2015-09-15T11:12:56Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > LOL > > They took over north africa and spain by by force, didnt they? that sounds pretty bad to me. No worse than what Moses did to the Amalekites. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/309 "2015-09-15T11:35:10Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > No worse than what Moses did to the Amalekites. true or what happened here in north america to the native americans or to the slaves brought from afirca ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/310 "2015-09-15T11:41:57Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > If that were true, why is it that Islamic terrorism is so distinctive? > > In his book ‘The End of Faith’ Sam Harris begins with a short tale about a young man on a bus. I’ll quote from memory and try my best to keep it short: > > \*"The young man boards the bus as it leaves the terminal. He is wearing an overcoat. Underneath his overcoat is a bomb. His pockets are loaded with nails, ball-bearings, and rat poison. He waits until the bus is full and detonates the bomb, killing himself and nearly all the passengers. The shrapnel in his pockets ensures further casualties on the street. > > His parents, when told of this, are saddened to have lost a son, but take consolation in the fact that he has gone to heaven and paved the way for them to follow. > > This is all we can say for certain about the young man. Was he rich? Was he poor? Was he of low or high intelligence? Did he have a bright future as a doctor or an engineer? His behaviour is simply mute on questions of this sort and dozens like them. Why is it, then, so easy, so trivially easy, to guess the young man’s religion?\* > > It’s an important question. If, as you say, Islam is a peaceful religion practised by violently by a small number, then why are Islamic terrorists violent in the way that they are? Why are they so much more prone to suicide? Why do they seem to go so far out of their way to maximise civilian casualties? Why are their attacks not only more numerous, but also more devastating? The doctrines of martyrdom and jihad explain their behaviour far better than any other explanation I’ve come across. Indeed, one could fairly say they explain it _perfectly_. If it happened today, I’d agree that he’s probably Muslim. If it happened 25 years ago, I’d assume he was a Tamil Tiger, whom you may have forgotten “popularized” the practice of using suicide bombers before the Wahhabists adopted it. Islamic terrorism is distinctive **now** , but the religion wasn’t founded in the last two decades. As has been repeatedly pointed out, we’re just seeing the recent rise of a particular extremist faction within Islam (which may or may not last in the long run) and projecting their views and actions onto the rest of the religion. Look - there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. If Islam was genuinely the violent religion some argue it is, the rest of us would be utterly fucked. Personally, I don’t worry much about it, and even if perchance I get blown up by an Islamic terrorist on the way home tonight it _still_ won’t justify the condemnation (nor the persecution) of all 1.6 billion. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/311 "2015-09-15T12:00:25Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Look - there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. If Islam was genuinely the violent religion some argue it is, the rest of us would be utterly fucked. Personally, I don’t worry much about it, and even if perchance I get blown up by an Islamic terrorist on the way home tonight it _still_ won’t justify the condemnation (nor the persecution) of all 1.6 billion. Except that, the more “muslim” a country tends to be, the worse it seems to get, in terms of radical violence and a poor civil rights record. It seems then, that “good” Islam, in Europe and North America, maybe in Egypt and Turkey, it seems as if “good” Islam only exists where there are strong secular forces to keep it in check. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/312 "2015-09-15T12:40:10Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > Except that, the more “muslim” a country tends to be, the worse it seems to get, in terms of radical violence and a poor civil rights record. It seems then, that “good” Islam, in Europe and North America, maybe in Egypt and Turkey, it seems as if “good” Islam only exists where there are strong secular forces to keep it in check. Confirmation bias is a bitch, ain’t it? Go back and re-read this thread - this has already been discussed ad nauseum. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/313 "2015-09-15T12:45:08Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > Except that, the more “muslim” a country tends to be, the worse it seems to get, in terms of radical violence and a poor civil rights record. What the heck does “the more Muslim [note the capitalization, please] a country tends to be” mean? And try not to answer it with the usual “No true Scotsman” stuff. > [@](#): > > It seems then, that “good” Islam, in Europe and North America, maybe in Egypt and Turkey, it seems as if “good” Islam only exists where there are strong secular forces to keep it in check. ? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/314 "2015-09-15T12:54:18Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > It seems then, that “good” Islam, in Europe and North America, maybe in Egypt and Turkey, it seems as if “good” Islam only exists where there are strong secular forces to keep it in check. > [@Monty](#): > > ? Brass Eye fans may wonder why this sounds very familiar. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/315 "2015-09-15T13:04:08Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Confirmation bias is a bitch, ain’t it? > > Go back and re-read this thread - this has already been discussed ad nauseum. In places like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan, places where there is no secular oversight, places where the laws are run more or less straight from the Koran, we get very very bad results. Places like the USA and UK, where there is a great amount of secular oversight, we get “good muslims”. ---
**Author:** ![Hiker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3be4f8/32.png) [@Hiker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiker)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/316 "2015-09-15T13:10:27Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > Except that, the more “muslim” a country tends to be, the worse it seems to get, in terms of radical violence and a poor civil rights record. It seems then, that “good” Islam, in Europe and North America, maybe in Egypt and Turkey, it seems as if “good” Islam only exists where there are strong secular forces to keep it in check. Make a list of the worst atrocities humans have committed on other humans during the last 100 years. And then check which ones of these have been committed by Non-Muslims. That makes an awful lot of checks, doesn’t it? Even today there are a lot of Non-Muslim countries that you would not want to live in. How about the Congo with one of the most brutal civil wars of the present day? Or Honduras with a homicide rate twenty times as high as the US (which has a pretty high homicide rate in the first place.) One of the ugliest terrorist movements in Africa calls itself the “Lord’s Resistance Army” with a nice record of murder, abduction, mutilation, child-sex slavery, and forcing children to participate in hostilities. ---
**Author:** ![robert\_columbia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@robert\_columbia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robert_columbia)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/317 "2015-09-15T13:19:51Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > What about the 99% of the Muslims in Malaysia who don’t behead people? > > Violence is not inherent in a religion. Otherwise, Christianity would, itself, be proven a violent faith because of the Thirty Years War. Also, why is it that there was a serious problem of violence between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland for most of the 20th century while their cousins in the USA, Canada, Australia, and pretty much everywhere else were mostly getting along? The Appalachian Mountains are heavily populated by the descendants of Ulster Protestants who migrated there during the late 1700’s. If you show up in some holler town there and tell them that you have come to help them rid their town of Catholics, you will be kindly taken to the nearest police station for booking. The answer, of course, is that the violence in Northern Ireland was mostly fueled by political sentiment that had a facade of religious justification (holy war) painted on top of it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/318 "2015-09-15T13:29:42Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > In places like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan, places where there is no secular oversight, places where the laws are run more or less straight from the Koran, we get very very bad results. Places like the USA and UK, where there is a great amount of secular oversight, we get “good muslims”. The same is true of Christianity, except that virtually all predominantly Christian countries are now secularized. But have a look at some of the fun and games going on in African countries like Uganda where merely being gay is enough to get you imprisoned (and capital punishment has been proposed _with the support of US evangelical Christian groups_) or in former Eastern bloc countries where angry mobs led by priests have lynched homosexuals with the co-operation of local authorities. So presumably the same argument applies - where enlightened secularism holds sway, religious extremism of all sorts is held in check. Where religious views are allowed to supersede human rights, well… Kim Davis is just the thinnest end of the wedge. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/319 "2015-09-15T13:31:13Z")
> [@Hiker](#): > > Make a list of the worst atrocities humans have committed on other humans during the last 100 years. And then check which ones of these have been committed by Non-Muslims. That makes an awful lot of checks, doesn’t it? > > Even today there are a lot of Non-Muslim countries that you would not want to live in. How about the Congo with one of the most brutal civil wars of the present day? Or Honduras with a homicide rate twenty times as high as the US (which has a pretty high homicide rate in the first place.) One of the ugliest terrorist movements in Africa calls itself the “Lord’s Resistance Army” with a nice record of murder, abduction, mutilation, child-sex slavery, and forcing children to participate in hostilities. I suppose you have a point with the Lord’s Resistance Army, but in all of those other situations violence is being committed for some secular reason. My point never was, ONLY muslim dominated countries have violence. My point is when the county is run “by the book” you get bad results. And people here are going a looooooooooong way out of their way to try and deny that fact. Well, not deny it. Just a whole lot of: Look, over there, bad things happen over there too!!! ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/320 "2015-09-15T13:32:44Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > **The same is true of Christianity, except that virtually all predominantly Christian countries are now secularized.** But have a look at some of the fun and games going on in African countries like Uganda where merely being gay is enough to get you imprisoned (and capital punishment has been proposed _with the support of US evangelical Christian groups_) or in former Eastern bloc countries where angry mobs led by priests have lynched homosexuals with the co-operation of local authorities. > > So presumably the same argument applies - where enlightened secularism holds sway, religious extremism of all sorts is held in check. Where religious views are allowed to supersede human rights, well… Kim Davis is just the thinnest end of the wedge. Indeed Uganda (today), and Plymouth Rock (early 1600’s) would not be fun places to live [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741.md?page=17)