# If radical Islam is violent due to culture and not religion **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 11, 2015, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741 "2015-09-11T23:24:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![canned\_mayhem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@canned\_mayhem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/canned_mayhem)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/441 "2015-09-16T02:14:29Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Er, so you’re not really _sorry_ after all, eh? I’m sorry for letting my emotions get the best of me and painting people in this thread with a broad brush. I am not however sorry for accusing the vast majority of Muslims of wanting to destroy the culture that I cherish. Agreeing with cutting someone’s head off for drawing a picture doesn’t really sit right with me… Strange huh?? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/442 "2015-09-16T02:33:16Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Support some of the next 20,000 people under attack so they don’t get slaughtered? Out of the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, how many are responsible for such atrocities? ---
**Author:** ![canned\_mayhem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@canned\_mayhem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/canned_mayhem)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/443 "2015-09-16T02:40:09Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Out of the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, how many are responsible for such atrocities? I’d say more than enough to create a worldwide concern amongst sane individuals. Hmmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/444 "2015-09-16T02:42:57Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > After 9/11 there were countless videos from around the world of people dancing and celebrating the attack of our innocent civilians. I have yet to see a single video of a crowd of people celebrating a drone attack on a Muslim. > > Show me a video of some assholes burning a Koran and I’ll show you videos of Muslim flipping out and rioting after the fact. When was the last time anyone flipped out and rioted over the hundreds of videos of Muslims burning the American flag and declaring war on the evil American infidel or Christianity? > > Why do I even have to point this out??? Here’s an idea that’s just crazy enough to work - stop killing thousands of Muslims in aggressive, illegal wars. Stop propping up corrupt dictators in Muslim countries. Stop decrying Islam as a uniquely evil force that should be eradicated. Because, if it turns out Muslims are just people like you and me and not soulless rage-monsters, they likely have very legitimate gripes with the West. ---
**Author:** ![canned\_mayhem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@canned\_mayhem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/canned_mayhem)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/445 "2015-09-16T02:55:02Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Here’s an idea that’s just crazy enough to work - stop killing thousands of Muslims in aggressive, illegal wars. Stop propping up corrupt dictators in Muslim countries. Stop decrying Islam as a uniquely evil force that should be eradicated. Because, if it turns out Muslims are just people like you and me and not soulless rage-monsters, they likely have very legitimate gripes with the West. Please provide a single cite that points to a doctrine that advocates the killing of Muslims by the American government. Something similar to the teachings of the Koran that advocates the destruction of anyone who doesn’t totally agree with their dogma would be most helpful. Don’t worry, I’ll wait… ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/446 "2015-09-16T02:58:59Z")
> [@Stoneburg](#): > > I’m something much worse than an atheist. [A negro with a library card](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRCyZydgqdc) ? :eek: [QUOTE=canned mayhem] I’d say more than enough to create a worldwide concern amongst sane individuals. Hmmmm… [/QUOTE] And how many, in the same time frame, are killed by just regular old political terrorism ? How many in jolly, right legal wars declared by states on each other ? How many by simple crime ? How many by random nutcases with a gun ? If you live in America or Europe and are concerned about Islamic terrorism/violence there, you’re \*\*not \*\*a sane individual. You might as well be concerned about tiger attacks. While you are, in fact, on fire. What you are, is one who is easily distracted by the people who are \*actually \*busy vigorously rogering you and your cherished country. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/447 "2015-09-16T02:59:32Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > Please provide a single cite that points to a doctrine that advocates the killing of Muslims by the American government. > > Something similar to the teachings of the Koran that advocates the destruction of anyone who doesn’t totally agree with their dogma would be most helpful. > > Don’t worry, I’ll wait… Oh, I don’t think they’re getting killed _because_ they’re Muslims, necessarily, though that makes it an easier sell to the American public. The fact is, lots and lots of Muslims _are_ getting killed by the American government for specious, self-serving reasons, and as they are regular people like you and me, they have a negative reaction to this. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/448 "2015-09-16T03:10:13Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > . . . Why do I even have to point this out??? Good question. What’s your point? Why do you point out isolated instances and then try to pretend they are generalities and that they apply to all? That has repeatedly been shown to be fallacious, and factually incorrect. Many Americans rejoiced over the murder of an abortion doctor, or the murder of a radio talk-show host, or the murder of a gay student. Most did not, but many did. There are extremists and radicals and ugly bigots to be found in any significant population. No one here has denied that there exist radical Muslims. What you have not shown – and what cannot be shown for it is not true – is that Islam is intrinsically violent in any regard. It isn’t, and a billion moderate Muslims give that claim ample disproof. ---
**Author:** ![canned\_mayhem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@canned\_mayhem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/canned_mayhem)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/449 "2015-09-16T03:10:48Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > If you live in America or Europe and are concerned about Islamic terrorism/violence there, you’re \*\*not \*\*a sane individual. You might as well be concerned about tiger attacks. While you are, in fact, on fire. > What you are, is one who is easily distracted by the people who are \*actually \*busy vigorously rogering you and your cherished country. Or, I could be a guy who was deeply affected by what I saw and experienced on September 11th 2001 and has decided to voice my opinion on an online message board. Regardless, I look forward to watching my glorious country curb stomping the next group of morons who think they can get away with flinging mud on my way of life. Wanna play body count again?? ---
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/450 "2015-09-16T03:13:35Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > After 9/11 there were countless videos from around the world of people dancing and celebrating the attack of our innocent civilians. I have yet to see a single video of a crowd of people celebrating a drone attack on a Muslim. They do their celebrating in a different way; just look at the reactions to the tragic crane accident in Mecca on places like Free Republic and Breitbart. ---
**Author:** ![canned\_mayhem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@canned\_mayhem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/canned_mayhem)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/451 "2015-09-16T03:14:48Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Oh, I don’t think they’re getting killed _because_ they’re Muslims, necessarily, though that makes it an easier sell to the American public. The fact is, lots and lots of Muslims _are_ getting killed by the American government for specious, self-serving reasons, and as they are regular people like you and me, they have a negative reaction to this. Well, maybe they should buck up and fight the radicals that are infecting their “peaceful” religion. Not holding my breath… ---
**Author:** ![canned\_mayhem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@canned\_mayhem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/canned_mayhem)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/452 "2015-09-16T03:19:36Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > What you have not shown – and what cannot be shown for it is not true – is that Islam is intrinsically violent in any regard. It isn’t, and a billion moderate Muslims give that claim ample disproof. Koran much? ---
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/453 "2015-09-16T03:20:25Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > Well, maybe they should buck up and fight the radicals that are infecting their “peaceful” religion. > > Not holding my breath… Muslims are doing more to fight the extremists than people like _you_ are. ---
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/454 "2015-09-16T03:21:25Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > Koran much? Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/455 "2015-09-16T03:22:06Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > Well, maybe they should buck up and fight the radicals that are infecting their “peaceful” religion. > > Not holding my breath… Are you serious? You’re totally unaware of civil strife between moderate and radical Muslims? Like, say, the Anbar Awakening, or recent events in Egypt? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/456 "2015-09-16T03:23:26Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > Or, I could be a guy who was deeply affected by what I saw and experienced on September 11th 2001 and has decided to voice my opinion on an online message board. > > Regardless, I look forward to watching my glorious country curb stomping the next group of morons who think they can get away with flinging mud on my way of life. > > Wanna play body count again?? You tough, manly man you. Beyond that, 2001 was over a decade ago. In the meantime Osama has died, Al Qaeda has mostly vanished off the face of the earth. Oh, and your glorious country has caused orders of magnitudes more indiscriminate civilian deaths, across numerous countries. Maybe it’s time to move on ? ---
**Author:** ![canned\_mayhem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@canned\_mayhem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/canned_mayhem)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/457 "2015-09-16T03:24:04Z")
And before anyone gets it twisted, fuck Christianity as well. I’m as agnostic as it comes so that shit doesn’t fly with me. The difference is at least the Christians aren’t stoning gays on YouTube lately. Kind of a big deal as far as this thread is concerned… ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/458 "2015-09-16T03:28:24Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > And before anyone gets it twisted, fuck Christianity as well. > > I’m as agnostic as it comes so that shit doesn’t fly with me. The difference is at least the Christians aren’t stoning gays on YouTube lately. [They are](http://world.time.com/2014/02/05/watch-russias-anti-gay-vigilantes-exposed-in-their-own-shocking-videos/). You’re just not looking. (Need I warn that the linked video is disturbing ?) ETA : [more of the same](http://americablog.com/2014/02/horrific-inside-video-russians-kidnapping-torturing-gay-youth.html). ---
**Author:** ![canned\_mayhem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@canned\_mayhem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/canned_mayhem)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/459 "2015-09-16T03:30:06Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Maybe it’s time to move on ? What do you want us to move to? Last I checked our Nobel Peace winning president is still drone smashing Muslims into virgin heaven…You plan on volunteering anymore people who want to test this??? K… ---
**Author:** ![canned\_mayhem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@canned\_mayhem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/canned_mayhem)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741/460 "2015-09-16T03:33:15Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > [They are](http://world.time.com/2014/02/05/watch-russias-anti-gay-vigilantes-exposed-in-their-own-shocking-videos/). You’re just not looking. > > (Need I warn that the linked video is disturbing ?) > > ETA : [more of the same](http://americablog.com/2014/02/horrific-inside-video-russians-kidnapping-torturing-gay-youth.html). Super… Do you really want me to link the THOUSANDS of YouTube and livelink videos that show the other side of the story? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-radical-islam-is-violent-due-to-culture-and-not-religion/730741.md?page=24)