Better take to the streets. If that gambit succeeds, it will be far too late.
Look, trump yelled and screamed and called for insurreccion when he lost in 2020.
What did we get ? A big riot at the Capitol building. One person was killed on that date- one of the rioters. Yes, a policeman died later, likely due to injuries and several cops committed suicide- due to the Insurrection?
Some small items were stolen and some damage was done.
That was the worst thing trump and his fat cowardly followers managed. No, it was pretty bad, but not that bad, and the USA wasnt ready. In 2025, we will be ready.
There will be little violence, no civil war. There will be many many death threats, eys, and we cant ignore them, but actual violence? meh.
The Courts? The Courts, including SCOTUS- ruled consistently and decidedly against trump and his bogus claims.
The Courts do not like to rule against the will of the people.
So, unless there is another “hanging chad” thing over a couple hundred votes in one state that might swing the election- there will be no issues with the courts, either.
Let us worry about winning the damn election. That is gonna be tough as it is.
Though that would be no different to finding against Trump. Assuming he didn’t luck out and find a Aileen Cannon, the lower courts would have likely told him to sod off, and so by not ruling the SCOTUS would have effectively ratified that judgement and Trump would lose (and if Trump did find lower court judge willing to go along with him, by not ruling SCOTUS would be letting him win)
In a situation like this, the military would be kingmakers, whether they like it or not. Even choosing to do nothing is a choice. They either stop the steal and make Harris king, or they don’t and make Trump the king.
And “the military” is not some single monolithic entity. Different officers, and different soldiers, would make different choices. The question wouldn’t be “which side is the military on?”, it’d be “which side is more of the military on?”.
This is a complete side track to the OP, but…
In 2020 the state system for certifying elections work as it should and certified Bidens win. For the SCOTUS to have gone against that would have been a blatant unilateral coup on the part of the SCOTUS no different to if they’d stormed the capital themselves. It is spectacularly naive to infer from that they would never under any circumstances rule for a GOP election official doing his “duty” in accordance with the law and refusing to certify a result, heading the election to Trump.
So the military brass declares it accepts one or the other king as commander-in-chief. That doesn’t solve the problem of general strikes, the federal government completely ceasing to function, and who knows what other more serious problems.
Well, at least your government is making plans.
That is often the case historically but I think given the number and power of law enforcement in the US, I would say who controls the federal legal and law enforcement hierarchy would be the winners.
Of course if the military, en masse, decides to take matters into their own hands and starts shooting at one side then that would settle it, but that won’t happen immediately probably. Though I am sure the Chileans said that 
(maybe, possibly in other coups there was never any doubt the military would join one side and settle the matter)
They did this to Katherine Harris in 2000. She certified according to the law but had the courts say, “Nope. Can’t do it.”
Either the Democrats play by the rules and possibly end up shit creek, or they play by the Republican “rules” and possibly end up becoming no better than the Republicans. If my sainted grandmother swore like a drunken longshoreman on a Sunday morning because of this perverse situation I wouldn’t even raise an eyebrow.
How could it not?
The US is our largest trading partner, and it’s not even close.
- The United States was again Canada’s largest trading partner in 2022, with over $960.9 billion in total trade (on a customs basis), accounting for close to two-thirds (63.4%) of the more than $1.5 trillion in worldwide trade.
Even a small disruption in cross-border trade would have a huge impact on Canada’s economy, even if no one in the US were actively trying to hurt us.
But, it’s a near-certainty that one side or the other would be trying to hurt us. Canada is not just a major trading partner with the US, we’re a key military ally. Both sides in any potential civil war would demand that Canada pick a side. Picking either side gets us in trouble with the other, and refusing to pick a side gets us in trouble with both. Cutting trade is the easiest way to impose sanctions on Canada, so that’s what will happen, to some extent.
And that’s just money. Any active conflict in the US will have direct impacts on Canada as well. At a minimum, we’ll have refugees looking for asylum as they flee conflicts. Anyone within a few day’s drive of the border is a potential refugee, and there’s enough of them that even a small percentage of the US population trying to enter Canada would overwhelm us. Remember how much trouble we had with asylum seekers not too long ago? Refugees from a US civil war could outnumber them in no time at all.
And refugees aren’t the only problem. We have the longest undefended land border in the world, and even if we decided to defend it, the Canadian military is just too small to make a major difference. The chances of a group of combatants deciding to cross the border to try to avoid being destroyed is quite high. And then we’d have to decide if we try to deal with them ourselves, or let the other side in the US war deal with them. Both options are bad.
And don’t forget our home-grown idiots. It’s a near-certainty that at least a few yahoos will decide to move to the States so they can get in on that action. The Canadian government will be held accountable for those yahoos, which could draw us into the conflict against our will.
And all these issues will persist for the duration of the conflict, and the economic issues almost certainly will persist far longer. If the US gets bad enough, we might never recover.
And look, I’m not the only one worrying about this!
What I expect to happen if Trump cheats his way into power is for the Democrats to prepare lawsuits, try to “let the system work” and end up shoveled into mass graves by the fascists.
Yeah, I mean of course the collapse of a Canada’s largest trading partner will be a huge disruption, plus of course we’re awash in guns. I think we’re at a point akin to the Soviet Union in the late 80s.
The state level courts will handle almost all of this. Federal election law has been reduced to almost nothing. So the states may attempt to throw out the whole state if one county cannot be certified. But the courts will just insist on a process that counts the largest number of voters. The certified counties will decide each state.
I agree in the sense that there is only one only one nuclear football. The military officer who carries it for the President has to pick one president.
But I lightly disagree in the sense that of the three branches of the U.S. government, the one that lords over the others is the judiciary.
What I’m saying is that it’s most likely that they’d side with SCOTUS, with them (purportedly) being the ultimate arbiter of the law.
And I’m going further to say that if they didn’t do so, that’s a worse precedent for the future, than election shenanigans, because that way lies military coups, dictatorships, competing commanders, civil wars, etc. in more direct ways than what we’re currently seeing.
This thread has more hypothetical-fighting than any I’ve seen in a long time, maybe ever. I think the OP is looking for your opinion about what would happen if the election were stolen – Trump is clearly the loser and somehow becomes president anyway.
As I stated above, I think there would be some protests, maybe massive ones, and then he would continue to be president. Does anyone really think that people are going to take up arms and try and stage a coup, or start a civil war? That seems really unlikely in a country as rich and comfortable as this one.
Nope.
But do I think a protest involving withholding taxes would be a possibility? Yes.
How does that even work? The vast majority of workers have taxes withheld before they even get their paychecks.
Ah, self employed person here. Where there’s a will?