# If the left usurps the right & somehow wins...what will happen **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 16, 2016, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138 "2016-11-16T08:08:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/1 "2016-11-16T08:08:19Z")
This is a real possibility, given the multiple petitions, the fact Obama can probably invoke some kind of executive order if he really wanted to, Soros could pay off just enough electors (who are typically low/middle wage earners) to go rogue. There is possible civil disobedience in levels we have not seen before as Drumpfft assumes the pulpit. This _may_ have been the plan from the beginning. My prediction, not all out civil war, that’s too knee jerk, but it’s very possible some of the alt-right will disappear off the planet somehow, rapture style whether they take themselves out or overdose on meth. A certain percent will turn violent. Possible martial law, which could actually keep Obama in office longer. Some have referred to this as “The Adrioning”, but that’s getting into the conspiracy realm. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/2 "2016-11-16T08:12:22Z")
Won’t happen. Trump is going to be president no matter how many people complain about it. ---
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/3 "2016-11-16T08:14:29Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Won’t happen. Trump is going to be president no matter how many people complain about it. Care to make a wager on that? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/4 "2016-11-16T11:56:59Z")
Please stop trying to make “the Adrioning” into a meme. It isn’t working. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/5 "2016-11-16T14:01:33Z")
> [@OriginalGangster](#): > > Care to make a wager on that? No point, but it’s never going to happen. It’s already in the realm of conspiracy theory. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/6 "2016-11-16T14:14:55Z")
> [@OriginalGangster](#): > > This is a real possibility, given the multiple petitions, Oh…There are actual petitions!!! That changes EVERYTHING! > [@Telemark](#): > > It’s already in the realm of conspiracy theory. Yup! Seriously, even most of us who are extremely distressed about Trump becoming President have accepted the fact that he will be, as much as it scares the bejesus out of us. The only way things could possibly change is if there is some sort of HUGE revelation before the Electoral College meets. “Minor” things like the fact that Trump is putting a white nationalist in the White House as one of his two chief advisors alas does not even come close. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/7 "2016-11-16T15:17:08Z")
> [@OriginalGangster](#): > > Soros could pay off just enough electors If George Soros is the sinister puppet master the wingnuts make him out to be, he totally fell asleep at the switch this year, didn’t he? Guess his alarm clock didn’t go off until November 9. ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/8 "2016-11-16T16:01:08Z")
Question that I know has been answered before, but I’m old and have no memory: If Trump were to drop dead of a heart attack before the EC meets, are they honor-bound to elect Pence? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/9 "2016-11-16T16:05:12Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > If Trump were to drop dead of a heart attack before the EC meets, are they honor-bound to elect Pence? Honor-bound? No. But they would most likely take direction from the RNC and the Trump campaign. Since they are all party loyalists they would likely vote for Pence with some new person getting the VP votes. ---
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/10 "2016-11-16T17:59:00Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Please stop trying to make “the Adrioning” into a meme. It isn’t working. There was a Roman Emperor who promised to a build a wall long ago to “keep out the bad guys”. Trump’s entire platform before he ran. Anyways, looks like conspiracy isn’t a big topic of discussion here. It is theoretically possible that Hillary still wins. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/11 "2016-11-16T18:15:47Z")
It won’t happen, but if Soros or somebody bribes or coerces electors, I bet that would be bribery of a public official and that somebody would wind up in the stripey place for a good long while. And it wouldn’t be civil war, mostly because nobody would be fighting on one side. Anyone who put being American before being a Democrat/Republican/alt right/pretty much anything would be on one side, and who would be on the other? How many mercenaries can Soros hire? But welcome to the SDMB. > [@](#): > > Anyways, looks like conspiracy isn’t a big topic of discussion here. I don’t know about that - we love a good conspiracy theory, in the sense that sharks love hemophiliacs. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/12 "2016-11-16T18:20:41Z")
It is theoretically possible. And it’s been hinted at by both Trump & Clinton. Keep in mind, Trump always called it a “rigged system”. That was basically his opening line at every rally the past few months. Maybe he was implying something, because he definitely wanted everyone to think it was rigged in favor of Hillary, but the electoral college actually rigged it in favor of himself. Hillary & Bill both wore purple when she gave her concession. It’s been said that Soros is behind the upcoming “purple revolution”, i.e. a merging of blue & red in favor of Hillary. Currently in the realm of conspiracy, but worth looking into. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/13 "2016-11-16T18:40:12Z")
People are saying that Hillary and Trump are actually the same person. There are theories that they used holograms during the debates to make it look like two people. It’s been said that Trumpillary wasn’t even present— it was a mixture of prerecorded material and AI. This is bordering on conspiracy stuff, of course, and we wouldn’t want to go there. But still, where there’s smoke there’s bound to be fire. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/14 "2016-11-16T18:44:03Z")
> [@OriginalGangster](#): > > Currently in the realm of conspiracy, but worth looking into. No–it’s not. The moon-landing “hoax” has more “evidence” and is less stupid than this theory of yours. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/15 "2016-11-16T18:44:25Z")
Seems the personal information of some of the electors has been released in a spreadsheet with encouragement to contact the electors to encourage them to change their votes. This [doxing](http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/nov/14/idaho-trump-electors-report-barrage-of-harassing-m/) is a fine line and some taking advantage of such may overstep into the realm of voter intimidation. > [@Idaho law](#): > > 18-2305. Intimidation, corruption and frauds. Every person who, by force, > threats, menaces, bribery, or any corrupt means, either directly or indirectly attempts > to influence any elector in giving his vote, or to deter him from giving the same, or > attempts by any means whatever, to awe, restrain, hinder or disturb any elector in the > free exercise of the right of suffrage, or furnishes any elector wishing to vote, who can > not read, with a ticket, informing or giving such elector to understand that it contains > a name written or printed thereon different from the name which is written or printed > thereon, or defrauds any elector at any such election, by deceiving and causing such > elector to vote for a different person, for any office, than he intended or desired to vote > for; or who, being officer, judge, or clerk of any election, while acting as such, induces, > or attempts to induce, any elector, either by menace or reward, or promise thereof, > to vote differently from what such elector intended or desired to vote, is guilty of a > misdemeanor. (History: S.L. 1972, Ch. 336) > … > > 18-2319. Attempt to influence votes. No person shall attempt to influence the vote > of any elector by means of a promise or a favor, or by means of violence or threats of > violence, or threats of withdrawing custom or dealing in business or trade, or enforcing > the payment of a debt, or discharging from employment, or bringing a suit or criminal > prosecution, or any other threat of injury to be inflicted by him, or by any other means. > (History: S.L. 1972, Ch. 336) Might use of “rough language”, as one Idaho elector described it, step over the line into “menace” that is prohibited? Showing up at an elector’s home? Releasing personal information on people of public interest over the internet is a dangerous game. There are public means of contact where someone can send a letter or email. Use those instead. This doxing information was forwarded from a Twitter account [@VoteHillary2016](https://twitter.com/VoteHillary2016) which is [run by Hillary superfan Steve Rosinski](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/23/inside-the-weird-world-of-hillary-superfans.html), a [self described](https://www.change.org/p/hillary-r-clinton-a-real-leader-for-president-of-the-united-states-of-america/c/616867) “Former Advance Person, Clinton/Gore, Hillary Supporter, 2008 Campaign”. ---
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/16 "2016-11-16T18:44:42Z")
Yes, it’s all tinfoil stuff. There might be little green men walking among us too. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/17 "2016-11-16T18:52:24Z")
> [@OriginalGangster](#): > > There was a Roman Emperor who promised to a build a wall long ago to “keep out the bad guys”. Trump’s entire platform before he ran. > > Anyways, looks like conspiracy isn’t a big topic of discussion here. > > It is theoretically possible that Hillary still wins. Which Wall? The two Scottish Walls or the German Walls? The Scots Walls were very successful, as was the Great Wall of China, if only for the time-span purposed. One can’t expect a defensive structure, like a castle or a satellite system, to run on indefinitely. It is theoretically possible Hillary will take up a new career as an astronaut. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/18 "2016-11-16T18:52:57Z")
> [@OriginalGangster](#): > > Hillary & Bill both wore purple when she gave her concession. > > It’s been said that Soros is behind the upcoming “purple revolution”, i.e. a merging of blue & red in favor of Hillary. The “purple revolution” won’t begin until Prince rises from the dead. Then there will be earthquakes, famines, pestilences, and a whole shitload of new CDs. Watch the signs, obey the signs, believe in the signs, park between the signs. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/19 "2016-11-16T18:57:11Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The “purple revolution” won’t begin until Prince rises from the dead. Then there will be earthquakes, famines, pestilences, and a whole shitload of new CDs. > > Watch the signs, obey the signs, believe in the signs, park between the signs. > > Regards, > Shodan And when it all goes down, party like it’s 1999. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138/20 "2016-11-16T19:08:08Z")
> [@OriginalGangster](#): > > There was a Roman Emperor who promised to a build a wall long ago to “keep out the bad guys”. Trump’s entire platform before he ran. > > Anyways, looks like conspiracy isn’t a big topic of discussion here. > > It is theoretically possible that Hillary still wins. Conspiracies are often discussed at the Dope. Usually with sarcasm & jeering. If something “happened” to Trump, we’d get President Pence. We may eventually do so–if The Donald realizes he _really_ doesn’t want the job. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-left-usurps-the-right-somehow-wins-what-will-happen/772138.md?page=2)