# If the Republicans do end up nominating someone else... **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 5, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133 "2016-07-05T16:58:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/1 "2016-07-05T16:58:06Z")
Fox News reports that the rebel delegate movement is growing, although it’s still a long shot. Still, with Clinton badly wounded, how can they pass up this opportunity? So what happens if they did nominate someone else, and we assume that that someone else is a fairly mainstream Republican of the Romney/Ryan/Bush variety, as opposed to a Ted Cruz? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/2 "2016-07-05T17:15:16Z")
“Badly wounded” must refer to the fact that she’s leading by 5-12% and not 13-20%, I guess? If they replace Trump, they lose his supporters and those people who believe in due process… “I probably wasn’t going to vote for Trump anyway, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to vote for a hand-picked candidate that didn’t even run, or worst, ran and lost.” If they keep Trump they have a shot at winning. Not a good one, but he was selected by the process. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/3 "2016-07-05T17:19:08Z")
What happens is that about a third of the party base (a large percentage of the people who voted for Trump plus a scattering of people pissed off at having their votes turned into toilet paper by the party’s grand high panjandrums) withhold their votes in November and the party suffers an electoral bloodbath. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/4 "2016-07-05T17:37:47Z")
If the GOP Empire finds the base of the Rebel Delegates, is all hope lost? IS there Another? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/5 "2016-07-05T17:48:10Z")
They would lose even worse than with Trump – a huge portion of the Trumpers would go 3rd party or stay home, and they’d actually have a legitimate reason to claim the nomination was stolen. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/6 "2016-07-05T17:52:07Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > They would lose even worse than with Trump – a huge portion of the Trumpers would go 3rd party or stay home, and they’d actually have a legitimate reason to claim the nomination was stolen. If they are going to lose anyway, wouldn’t it be better to end the election with more self-respect then they entered it with, and a better platform to rebuild the party on? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/7 "2016-07-05T17:54:26Z")
You’re posting a line about “badly wounded” after the FBI refused to file charges, thereby removing the one and only obstacle she might have faced? The Republicans might as well nominate Bernie Sanders now. He, not Obi-Wan, is their only hope. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/8 "2016-07-05T17:58:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If they are going to lose anyway, wouldn’t it be better to end the election with more self-respect then they entered it with, and a better platform to rebuild the party on? No, they would totally lose a large portion of their base and come back looking non-democratic as opposed to just non-Democratic. The best bet is to do what you can to minimize the damage and try again in 4 years. This thread basically comes down to the fact that adher assured us that it was physically impossible for someone with a approval rating of less than 50% to win the presidency, and so neither Trump nor Hillary could possibly win. So since Trump and Hillary have become the nominee’s he has been grasping at every possible straw to find a way to mold the universe to fit his world view. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/9 "2016-07-05T18:02:28Z")
I’m not convinced Trump voters are the party’s base. Every Trump voter I know is a low information voter that has never been on board with conservatism. Trump changed the base, he didn’t win the base. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/10 "2016-07-05T18:07:43Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’m not convinced Trump voters are the party’s base. Every Trump voter I know is a low information voter that has never been on board with conservatism. Trump changed the base, he didn’t win the base. They aren’t all of the party base, but they do make up a significant portion of the red neck side of it. Otherwise he wouldn’t have won the nomination. Telling 40% of the voters in the Republican primary that their votes don’t matter is not going to go over well in the future. Wake up and smell the coffee adaher, either Trump or Clinton is going to be president in 2017. Neither Biden nor Rubio, nor Gary Johnson is going to ride in to save the day. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/11 "2016-07-05T18:12:12Z")
It’s true that only one of two people are going to be President. Either HIllary Clinton, or Hillary Clinton’s VP, since she is a bit long in the tooth. Interesting that people here seem to overwhelmingly think that nominating someone else would be worse than just letting Trump be the nominee. That’s a prediction I hope we get to test. I personally think the Republicans will win, or at the very least make it very close, with a different nominee. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/12 "2016-07-05T18:13:08Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’m not convinced Trump voters are the party’s base. Every Trump voter I know is a low information voter that has never been on board with conservatism. Trump changed the base, he didn’t win the base. This could also mean that the Republican base is made up of low information voters that have never been on board with conservatism. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/13 "2016-07-05T18:16:38Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > This could also mean that the Republican base is made up of low information voters that have never been on board with conservatism. Ssssshhh. He hasn’t noticed that yet. We don’t want to break his heart by telling him the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/14 "2016-07-05T18:25:06Z")
Dear Republican voters, A small group of us has decided that your votes were wrong so we’re going to ignore them and advance Paul Ryan as the the Republican nominee for president. Hugs and kisses, The RNC P.S. We value your vote so don’t forget to vote Ryan this November. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/15 "2016-07-05T18:26:58Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’m not convinced Trump voters are the party’s base. Every Trump voter I know is a low information voter that has never been on board with conservatism. Trump changed the base, he didn’t win the base. [Confirmed: Bad News For Trump Supporters: He’s Not Bringing In New Voters](http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2016/05/23/bad-news-trump-supporters-hes-bringing-new-voters/) > [@](#): > > Streiff discussed it here with some data Politico looked at. They concluded most of the people voting in the primaries are reliable general election voters. They just decided this time around to go out and vote in a primary. > > New data, collected by a firm in Florida confirms that is the case: ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/16 "2016-07-05T18:36:11Z")
“The Republican party was very unfair to me. Okay? They’re haters. I’ve done very well without their support. My relationship with the voters is going to be great. I will be president.” ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/17 "2016-07-05T18:38:58Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > You’re posting a line about “badly wounded” after the FBI refused to file charges, thereby removing the one and only obstacle she might have faced? “Forget it Harpo, it’s Adahertown.” > [@](#): > > The Republicans might as well nominate Bernie Sanders now. TRUMP - SANDERS 2016!! “We’re mad as hell about everything!!” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/18 "2016-07-05T20:40:46Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > This could also mean that the Republican base is made up of low information voters that have never been on board with conservatism. I think it’s just low information voters. They don’t know the nuances of conservatism enough to be on or off board with it. The Republican paradigm has been that a candidate signs the contract with the conservatives who run the party and then the conservatives whip up ignorant voters with made-up issues. Trump figured out he didn’t need to win the approval of conservative gatekeepers; he could just appeal to ignorant voters directly. ---
**Author:** ![dracoi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dracoi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dracoi)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/19 "2016-07-05T21:00:21Z")
I’m saying Republicans lose by less, but I should clarify. Republicans will undoubtedly lose by more in the Presidential race, numerically speaking. A last-minute nominee change will mean a month or more spent trying to consolidate the party and that is time normally spent bashing your opponent. That’s fine though, because if Trump wins, we all lose more, regardless of party. But if Republicans stick behind Trump out of mere loyalty, can anyone tell me what the “Republican Party” will even mean? Trump doesn’t subscribe to the party platform, not even in some kind of superficial way. Is the GOP content to be the anti-Democrat home of small minded bigots? Maybe the party would like the slogan “If you hate them, we like you.” ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133/20 "2016-07-05T21:05:24Z")
You deny Trump the nomination and he spends every remaining second of his life successfully screwing the Republican party. You lose in a landslide this election and every other election as long as Trump is alive. > [@adaher](#): > > I’m not convinced Trump voters are the party’s base. Every Trump voter I know is a low information voter that has never been on board with conservatism. Trump changed the base, he didn’t win the base. This IS the base. Conservatism IS racism, misogynism and xenophobia. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-republicans-do-end-up-nominating-someone-else/759133.md?page=2)