# "If the Tea Party Was Black" music video... do you think they're right or wrong? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 30, 2010, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-tea-party-was-black-music-video-do-you-think-theyre-right-or-wrong/555635 "2010-09-30T18:07:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-tea-party-was-black-music-video-do-you-think-theyre-right-or-wrong/555635/61 "2010-10-02T17:56:10Z")
What the fuck is a “leukomasochistic liberal?” Don’t project your perversions onto us, man. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-tea-party-was-black-music-video-do-you-think-theyre-right-or-wrong/555635/62 "2010-10-02T18:13:46Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > But like too many blacks (and liberals, for that matter), he sees everything through a prism of race. > > PS I like how he seems to be holding up Rev Wright and Cynthia “Truther” McKinney as paragons of his hypothetical movement. Real brain surgeons there. > [@Ludovic](#): > > I agree that it’s too race-focused, but I can’t tell if they actually mean all of it or if they are just using pre-existing hip-hop memes in order to make a song that has somewhat of a point. It’s “too race-focused”? That’s probably because he’s talking about race. That is the subject. So, just to be clear, talking about something one time means you’re too focused on it? How on earth do you have the authority to talk about how this guy “sees everything”? It seems obviously true to me that if there were a bunch of paramilitarily-accoutered black groups saying violent things about democratically elected government officials, and they had the support of a bunch of prominent TV personalities and of a bunch of presumably more moderate people who nonetheless claimed an affiliation with them, the country would be in a fucking uproar until they were all rounded up. Does anybody seriously disagree that a bunch of black Americans wouldn’t be able to get away with the kind of images and statements the Tea Partiers are using in that video the same way the Tea Partiers get away with it? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-tea-party-was-black-music-video-do-you-think-theyre-right-or-wrong/555635/63 "2010-10-03T02:15:14Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > That didn’t stop him from using Christianity to manipulate people, and both his humanitarianism and his “socialism” were derived from Christianity. From his intepretation of the Bible which also justified both (to give two extreme example) Torqumada’s and the Amish’s beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-tea-party-was-black-music-video-do-you-think-theyre-right-or-wrong/555635/64 "2010-10-03T02:49:24Z")
What does that tell you about the Bible having any clear message? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-tea-party-was-black-music-video-do-you-think-theyre-right-or-wrong/555635/65 "2010-10-03T03:15:22Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > What does that tell you about the Bible having any clear message? Certainly one of the problems seems to be overliteralizing one particular passage of the Bible such as Jesus’ conversation with the rich man on giving away his possessions. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-tea-party-was-black-music-video-do-you-think-theyre-right-or-wrong/555635/66 "2010-10-03T03:24:09Z")
[quote=“joebuck20, post:16, topic:555635”] > [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Oh f_ck me, not this New Black Panther horsesh_t again. Yes, they behaved stupidly, and yes they deserved to punished. But that’s one incident. Show me cases of liberal and/or black organizations consistently showing up at Bush rallies with guns in hand or talking about “Second Amendment” solutions to perceived political slights. I think the concern with that is how it has revealed racist application of the law _within_ the Justice Dept. > [@](#): > > Does anybody seriously disagree that a bunch of black Americans wouldn’t be able to get away with the kind of images and statements the Tea Partiers are using in that video the same way the Tea Partiers get away with it? I got confused by the double negative in this sentence. But, yes I think that black americans would certainly be able to get away with this. Further, black americans (or hispanic) can have explicitly black groups yet you won’t hear them being called racist. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-tea-party-was-black-music-video-do-you-think-theyre-right-or-wrong/555635/67 "2010-10-03T04:11:48Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > > > A minuscule amount. I hear the claim that they aren’t racists, aren’t almost all white yet never see any evidence of this, but do see plenty of evidence of their whiteness and racism. I recall a certain recent poster (now banned so no names) kept trying to claim they weren’t overwhelming white, claimed that he’d seen TP rallies with plenty of black people, yet refused even to acknowledge requests for evidence of that. > > > > They are overwhelmingly a movement composed of white racists, regardless of your desire to pretend they are something they are not. > > They’re not all racists, some of them are just selfish and don’t care who they hang out with as long as it means lower taxes. That’s not really the case. If the tax-lowering legislation comes from the Obama administration, the Tea Party doesn’t particularly care about it. If Obama lowered the taxes of every American to $0 the Tea Party’s ire would not be abated one iota. They are less concerned with financial discipline than with righting the abomination of a black president. There’s no need to sugar-coat the obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-tea-party-was-black-music-video-do-you-think-theyre-right-or-wrong/555635/68 "2010-10-03T14:51:04Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > > > They’re not all racists, some of them are just selfish and don’t care who they hang out with as long as it means lower taxes. > > That’s not really the case. If the tax-lowering legislation comes from the Obama administration, the Tea Party doesn’t particularly care about it. If Obama lowered the taxes of every American to $0 the Tea Party’s ire would not be abated one iota. They are less concerned with financial discipline than with righting the abomination of a black president. There’s no need to sugar-coat the obvious. That’s bullshit considering that Marco Rubio is a major leader in the Tea Party movement. Are some of the racist idiots, why yes but they’re everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Jacquelope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Le\_Jacquelope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Jacquelope)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-tea-party-was-black-music-video-do-you-think-theyre-right-or-wrong/555635/69 "2010-10-03T15:00:02Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > That’s bullshit considering that Marco Rubio is a major leader in the Tea Party movement. Are some of the racist idiots, why yes but they’re everywhere. There were also blacks who fought for the Confederacy. Your argument would basically be saying that because of that, the Confederacy was not racist. ---
**Author:** ![sleeping](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@sleeping](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleeping)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-tea-party-was-black-music-video-do-you-think-theyre-right-or-wrong/555635/70 "2010-10-03T16:21:14Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > > > They’re not all racists, some of them are just selfish and don’t care who they hang out with as long as it means lower taxes. > > That’s not really the case. If the tax-lowering legislation comes from the Obama administration, the Tea Party doesn’t particularly care about it. If Obama lowered the taxes of every American to $0 the Tea Party’s ire would not be abated one iota. They are less concerned with financial discipline than with righting the abomination of a black president. There’s no need to sugar-coat the obvious. > [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > > [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > > > That’s not really the case. If the tax-lowering legislation comes from the Obama administration, the Tea Party doesn’t particularly care about it. If Obama lowered the taxes of every American to $0 the Tea Party’s ire would not be abated one iota. They are less concerned with financial discipline than with righting the abomination of a black president. There’s no need to sugar-coat the obvious. > > That’s bullshit considering that Marco Rubio is a major leader in the Tea Party movement. Are some of the racist idiots, why yes but they’re everywhere. The Tea Party movement is motivated by a number of factors, some more important than others depending on the individual: selfishness, racism, fear, a need for certainty (in a time when the establishment they believed has been shown not to have their interests at heart), etc. Racism is part of it, but in the U.S., race is intrinsically tied to socio-economic class. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-tea-party-was-black-music-video-do-you-think-theyre-right-or-wrong/555635/71 "2010-10-03T20:08:06Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > > [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > > > That’s not really the case. If the tax-lowering legislation comes from the Obama administration, the Tea Party doesn’t particularly care about it. If Obama lowered the taxes of every American to $0 the Tea Party’s ire would not be abated one iota. They are less concerned with financial discipline than with righting the abomination of a black president. There’s no need to sugar-coat the obvious. > > That’s **bullshit** considering that Marco Rubio is a major leader in the Tea Party movement. Are some of the racist idiots, why yes but they’re everywhere. Curtis, aren’t you a bit young to be using words like the one I bolded? Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Also, your assertion doesn’t necessarily follow. Mark Rubio definitely was not the impetus for the Tea Party movement; he simply lends it a slight, wafting air of legitimacy because of his Florida speakership and his position on property taxes. However, he’s a Republican, no surprise there as Cubans in Florida are overwhelmingly Republican, and racist, and because the Tea Party is really just the crazy wing of the Republican party. I’m not clear why you hold Rubio up as some kind of bulwark against accusations of racism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-the-tea-party-was-black-music-video-do-you-think-theyre-right-or-wrong/555635.md?page=3)