# If Trump wins the White House, will the Mainstream Media admit it? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 18, 2016, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239 "2016-09-18T07:32:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/41 "2016-09-18T16:55:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > …The reason for this should be glaringly obvious… It is, you never say anything that is factually based and falsifiable. You deal in broad, sweeping declarations that can neither be proven nor disproven. Liberals are destroying America, and the proof is that America is becoming more liberal. You squander your dignity spreading bullshit, and then demand we respect your dignity. You don’t get better, you don’t get worse, you are reliable, we know exactly what we will get before we even read a word. You are Circus Peanuts, the candy that grumpy old men who don’t really like children give out on Halloween. You really, _really_ don’t like us, and, speaking for us, we are grateful. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/42 "2016-09-18T16:57:43Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, there are lots of threads and lots of comments but I haven’t seen anything along the lines of Trump having pulled even in the popular vote, nor of his having pulled ahead in the EC. YMMV and that’s fine, but I haven’t seen it. So are we to debate if the media is willfully blind or if YOU are? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/43 "2016-09-18T16:58:10Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You really, _really_ don’t like us, and, speaking for us, we are grateful. Makes ME feel better about myself, anyway… ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/44 "2016-09-18T17:02:01Z")
Not sure I want to know what “moderasty” consists of… ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/45 "2016-09-18T17:12:01Z")
Let me help you: CNN > [@](#): > > This comes as CNN/ORC polls show that Trump holds a narrow lead over Clinton in Ohio and the two are locked in a near-even contest in Florida, two critical battleground states for the election. [CNN Poll of Polls: Clinton leads Trump by 2 points](http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/cnn-poll-of-polls-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-2016-election/index.html) RealClearPolitics has an impressive list of polls currently being conducted. Clinton leads in virtually all of them, but there is no question that the lead has tightened, and, in some cases, reversed. [RealClealPolitics Polls](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html) NBC > [@](#): > > New polls released this week suggests Hillary Clinton has a growing problem with millennial voters and that’s a major concern for the Democratic presidential nominee. [NBC Story from Election Section of Main Website](http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/clinton-losing-key-millennial-support-nationally-key-states-n650076) I could keep going, but this took really a few seconds for each of these. I can only conclude that you found what you wanted to find. The tightening race has been a BIG story for the last few weeks and will continue to be so. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/46 "2016-09-18T17:14:06Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The only people it seems to be a rant to are the ones who seem to have no problem with the subject being criticized. To me it was more a case of making fun of a rather egregious form of media bias. > > And I didn’t post it as a debate because I didn’t post it in Great Debates. The subject pertained to the election so I posted it in Elections, which for some silly reason I thought was appropriate. > > And if the mainstream sites had already reported it like you said, why do most if not all the comments I’ve seen around here lately talk about Trump being behind in the polls rather than having pulled even? > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Okay, now I see why you said what you did, and I’ll admit your point is well-taken if somewhat off the mark. _Fox’s_ online website is a good deal different than its television namesake. It’s pretty much a straight forward news reporting site, albeit one unlike the more mainstream media in that discouraging word can occasionally be found about Barack Obama. Same with _Drudge_. > > When people talk about someone getting their information from right wing talk and television though, they’re usually talking about Fox News on television and the influence of or things said by people like Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, etc., or about agitators like Rush Limbaugh. I watch/listen to none of these people. > > And now like I said in my previous post, I’m out. I didn’t want this in the Pit and I’m not gonna participate now that it’s here. So, since you said that you were done in this thread, but came back after saying that, I believe that makes you a liar. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/47 "2016-09-18T18:11:20Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Not sure I want to know what “moderasty” consists of… It is when a liberal biased mod bends you over, hands you a paper towel tube, and throws your ass in the pit. #saddayformoding ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/48 "2016-09-18T18:11:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It is, you never say anything that is factually based and falsifiable. You deal in broad, sweeping declarations that can neither be proven nor disproven. [Sigh, once more unto the breach] I was called a liar for saying I didn’t watch or listen to right wing radio and television. No sweeping declaration there. > [@elucidator](#): > > You squander your dignity spreading bullshit, and then demand we respect your dignity. Cite? I don’t even think in such terms, and even if I did, dignity is in such short supply around here on anyone’s part that I’d hardly expect it in the first place, much less demand it. > [@elucidator](#): > > You are Circus Peanuts, the candy that grumpy old men who don’t really like children give out on Halloween. Sorry, but I can’t speak to what grumpy old men who don’t like children do. This board makes me grumpy admittedly, but away from it I’m just peachy and have oodles of friends and fun. And kids are great, I love 'em. They’re my favorite people in fact. > [@elucidator](#): > > You really, _really_ don’t like us… You’re really giving **Lobohan** a run for his money in the wrongful assumption sweepstakes. Surely you’re familiar with the line about how conservatives think liberals have bad ideas but liberals think conservatives are bad people? You assume I don’t like you and others like you because that’s how you think about your political opponents. I, on the other hand, don’t like a lot of the things you favor and/or are responsible for, but I don’t dislike you personally, nor do I dislike very many other people on this board. I could count the number of posters I truly don’t like on one hand (and most of them aren’t to be found in this thread. ;)) And now I’m back out. Just felt compelled to clear up a few of these erroneous assertions…you know, just for the sake of ignorance-fighting and all. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/49 "2016-09-18T18:13:01Z")
I’ve definitely been seeing CNN’s headline saying that the race is pretty much even, and that some polls have Trump ahead. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/50 "2016-09-18T18:17:41Z")
Of course the media will admit it, the media is looking to see the dozen Watergates that Trump will get them. They need the advertisement money from all those eyeballs that they will get from that unrest to sent their kids to college. Ivy league even. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/51 "2016-09-18T18:30:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > [Sigh, once more unto the breach] > > I was called a liar for saying I didn’t watch or listen to right wing radio and television. No sweeping declaration there. As I pointed before, you admitted before that that you get the same percolated news from Rush and others via social media or you read them on the Internet, even going to his website on several occasions. No wonder you keep still misleadingly insisting just about not listening or watching them on TV while omitting all other ways to get their trash. Because it allows you to claim an independence of thought that in reality is not there. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/52 "2016-09-18T18:52:37Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > As I pointed before, you admitted before that that you get the same percolated news from Rush and others via social media or you read them on the Internet, even going to his website on several occasions. > > No wonder you keep still misleadingly insisting just about not listening or watching them on TV while omitting all other ways to get their trash. Because it allows you to claim an independence of thought that in reality is not there. I go to his website occasionally to see what people are talking about. I don’t follow it on a regular basis nor for guidance on issues. I’ve been to Limbaugh’s site maybe 15 times in the last five or six years. Believe it or not most of the opinions and views I have are the same I’ve had for decades, long before the advent of cable television and before media bias created a market for right-wing radio and television news programs. I was railing about the press in the early 70s and about the harmful effects of liberalism as far back as the late 60s. You guys might want to kid yourselves that people only disagree with you or hold the opinions they do because they’ve been brainwashed by Machiavellian right-wing puppet masters, but all this stuff is plain as the nose on your face to those of us who haven’t drunk the Kool-Aid. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/53 "2016-09-18T18:56:22Z")
[Fox News national poll of 1006 registered voters released this morning](http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2016/09/18/fox-news-poll-many-voters-want-new-leadership-but-still-uneasy-about-trump.html) shows Trump still quite unpopular. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/54 "2016-09-18T19:05:01Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I go to his website occasionally to see what people are talking about. … to those of us who haven’t drunk the Kool-Aid. (Post shortened so it won’t be as long) And this is it! Posolutely, absitively, he’s out! Not gonna post here any more, that’s it. Shane! Shane! Come back, Shane! Don’t even try begging! Because it won’t work! ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/55 "2016-09-18T19:14:22Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > \*\*Or just switch it up to Ivanka 2020? I have a question about this: Ivanka be a drone…? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/56 "2016-09-18T19:27:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I go to his website occasionally to see what people are talking about. I don’t follow it on a regular basis nor for guidance on issues. I’ve been to Limbaugh’s site maybe 15 times in the last five or six years. Believe it or not most of the opinions and views I have are the same I’ve had for decades, long before the advent of cable television and before media bias created a market for right-wing radio and television news programs. I was railing about the press in the early 70s and about the harmful effects of liberalism as far back as the late 60s. You guys might want to kid yourselves that people only disagree with you or hold the opinions they do because they’ve been brainwashed by Machiavellian right-wing puppet masters, but all this stuff is plain as the nose on your face to those of us who haven’t drunk the Kool-Aid. Meh, the order of the factors does not change the product. Even in the past Rush and others fed you support for items that the right believes are the basis of their efforts, but in the end the premises they use are still wrong. You seem to forget that one very important point that tell us what is going on is when the ones that are close to the liberals mention the “echo chamber” that the right is using nowadays. It does explain how radically incompetent guys like Trump can get close to winning the presidency. > **[Rush Limbaugh incorrect about Washington's religious views](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2009/apr/10/rush-limbaugh/Rush-limbaugh-washington-religion/)** > > Radio host Rush Limbaugh, railing against a Newsweek cover that proclaimed "The Decline and Fall of Christian America," Sorry, but I was forced once to listen to Rush for years as my older brother decided to check him on long drives to work in the 80’s. Suffice to say is that I was aware of several lies, mistakes and representations made just in one show of his. For example in 2004 he and many others wanted to crow about countries like El Salvador electing right wing governments after the civil war. Trying to say that therefore the support of the military dictators in the 80’s and 90’s was OK. It was a very gross misleading point because millions already had left the country (or had been killed by the death squads) that could had voted for a leftist government. And indeed soon after as many intellectuals came back and pressure from the people overseas grew so much that the next elections were won by the former guerrillas. Of course that would mean that what the USA did was to indeed support military thugs that prevented the people from forming the government they wanted during the 70’s and the 80’s. I have seen already indeed the real harm caused by the American conservatism. And now, even if you are not going to vote for Trump, the reality is that many of the ones that you rely for information would mind to go back to “those great days”. So I also have enough memory to report also that you are still wrong. The brainwash has happened before and reinforced by people like Rush and their ilk. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/57 "2016-09-18T19:37:42Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > The only thing “interesting” about this little rant is that all the mainstream media that you claimed had failed to report this situation had actually reported the same stories several days earlier, so what you are seeing is that Fox News and Drudge are simply repeating old stories, apparently to keep them alive. Exactly. I subscribe to the New York Times, and they’ve been talking about the increasingly close polls for much of the week. Maybe **Starving Artist** should be asking why his favored fake news organizations are so far behind the real journalists when it comes to reporting the news. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, there are lots of threads and lots of comments but I haven’t seen anything along the lines of Trump having pulled even in the popular vote, nor of his having pulled ahead in the EC. YMMV and that’s fine, but I haven’t seen it. LOL. This is perfect. It’s a model of the **Starving Artist** dishonesty machine. When called out for your bullshit, fall back on the indisputable personal testimony. “Hey,” says **Starving Artist** “maybe there is all this evidence out there that demonstrates what a moron i am, and that could be easily located by your average blind second-grader, but i haven’t seen any of it.” ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/58 "2016-09-18T19:55:29Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Exactly. > > I subscribe to the New York Times, and they’ve been talking about the increasingly close polls for much of the week. Were they talking about how Trump had overtaken Clinton, in both the popular vote and electoral college? If so there’s been scant evidence of it around here. > [@mhendo](#): > > Maybe **Starving Artist** should be asking why his favored fake news organizations are so far behind the real journalists when it comes to reporting the news.LOL. Fake? You clearly don’t know the first thing about either site. Fox’s online news site is straitforward news, albeit with a critical eye toward the left, and Drudge is merely a site that links to various articles. It’s not a news site per se, fake or otherwise. > [@mhendo](#): > > This is perfect. It’s a model of the **Starving Artist** dishonesty machine. When called out for your bullshit, fall back on the indisputable personal testimony. “Hey,” says **Starving Artist** “maybe there is all this evidence out there that demonstrates what a moron i am, and that could be easily located by your average blind second-grader, but i haven’t seen any of it.” Ahem, you seem to have missed the point rather badly here vis-a-vis my so-called dishonesty. (And don’t forget, you’re the airheaded asspipe who once amusingly made the claim to **Bricker** that I was dishonest but not aware of it. :rolleyes: ) The dishonesty I was accused of in this thread was in regard to whether or not I listen to right-wing radio and tv and had nothing to do with the reportage of polls. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/59 "2016-09-18T19:56:41Z")
He’s not coming back, **mhendo**. Said so, no uncertain terms, outa here. Not gonna, no sir! ETA: As Eugene V. Debs is my witness, I swear I didn’t know **Starkers** had posted even as I typed. Ha! A tiny blessing from the Buddha of Irony. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-the-white-house-will-the-mainstream-media-admit-it/766239/60 "2016-09-18T19:56:42Z")
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