# If/when Trump and Musk fall out, what will it be over? The results? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, elon-musk\ **Created:** [February 15, 2025, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346 "2025-02-15T09:08:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/321 "2025-06-06T15:12:19Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > [@ctnguy](#): > > > > On another note, perpetual troll state Russia has offered Musk political asylum: > > Ooooo… a romantic triangle! We’re gonna need a LOT more popcorn! 🍿 Actual New York Times headline, “Trump and Musk Fight, and the Internet Pulls Out the Popcorn.” The article talks about the comments on places like Twittter. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/322 "2025-06-06T15:15:48Z")
Nice recap of what, so far, is known in regard to how involved trump was in the whole Epstein business. Whole lotta smoke for there to not be a fire. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/323 "2025-06-06T15:25:38Z")
What an odd view Jessie Watters and Fox viewers have of men. Watters goes on about how sometimes men fight, which, okay, sometimes they fight, and how a man might sleep with his friend’s girlfriend, but they patch things up later. Are you %#$@ing kidding me? Men of the Straight Dope, if a friend of yours sleeps with your girlfriend are you likely to patch things up with him? If a former friend insinuates quite publicly that you are a pedophile are you likely to patch things up with him? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/324 "2025-06-06T15:27:53Z")
Imagine the trouble Fox News must be having; which side to land on in this fight? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/325 "2025-06-06T15:38:37Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I don’t think there are a ton of red hats that went out and bought Teslas. Here in S Texas, the Deplorean (Cybertruck) is definitely MAGA-coded. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/326 "2025-06-06T15:45:36Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Men of the Straight Dope, if a friend of yours sleeps with your girlfriend are you likely to patch things up with him? And then he’s qualifying it with (paraphrase), “I said my girlfriend, not my wife,” and, “For the record, no one slept with my girlfriend.” None of this improved his point. Watters is of course an idiot. And no, if someone sleeps with your girlfriend, it’s not really forgivable without some sort of extenuating circumstance I can’t even imagine. > [@](#): > > If a former friend insinuates quite publicly that you are a pedophile are you likely to patch things up with him? No. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/327 "2025-06-06T15:48:45Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > And no, if someone sleeps with your girlfriend, it’s not really forgivable without some sort of extenuating circumstance I can’t even imagine. They were on a break! ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/328 "2025-06-06T15:50:18Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > If a former friend insinuates quite publicly that you are a pedophile are you likely to patch things up with him? Men do fight and make up, but there are rules to it. You go dirty, though, and there’s no going back. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/329 "2025-06-06T15:51:22Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > They were on a break! LOL! I think the code for most guys is that you can’t go for a bro’s girlfriend ever, including after they break up. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/330 "2025-06-06T15:52:31Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Watters is of course an idiot. And no, if someone sleeps with your girlfriend, it’s not really forgivable without some sort of extenuating circumstance I can’t even imagine. I’m convinced Watters is a performance artist in a similar vein to the conservative caricature Stephen Colbert was. Every time I watch him I get the feeling he’s winking at the audience, almost as if he’s daring his audience to call shenanigans on the baloney he’s spewing. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/331 "2025-06-06T16:01:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Actual New York Times headline, “Trump and Musk Fight, and the Internet Pulls Out the Popcorn.” I’ve heard this whole thing described as “Real Housewives of Mar-a-Lago” ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/332 "2025-06-06T16:19:30Z")
Watters definitely has a layer of trolling on top of whatever he actually believes. It’s clear that he is purposely trying to be an edgelord dick a lot of the time. That’s said, it’s hard to tell what these Fox mutherfuckers actually believe. How much there is real belief in the cause, and how much is self-interested, cynical kayfabe? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/333 "2025-06-06T16:19:46Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > We are seeing something that I’ve never thought possible, Donald J. Trump is locked in a discussion with someone more _childish_ than him. My comment on the NYT article was that it’s like two teenaged girls having a slap fight and calling each other poopyheads. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/334 "2025-06-06T16:27:23Z")
That’s what the code says. The actual practice tends to be different. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/335 "2025-06-06T16:44:21Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > > [@Procrustus](#): > > > > They were on a break! > > LOL! I think the code for most guys is that you can’t go for a bro’s girlfriend ever, including after they break up There’s the Bro Code, and then there’s the Entitled Prick Code, whereby a category of women they call “the kind you bang but don’t marry” are fungible and tradeable. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/336 "2025-06-06T16:53:45Z")
Public-service journalism of the highest order: “8 Ways Musk and Trump Could Inflict Pain on Each Other” – _New York Times_ “Trump v Musk: 10 ways they can further hurt each other” – _The Guardian_ I want this to be a weekly feature. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/337 "2025-06-06T17:02:02Z")
This is how I feel about their feud: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/arZdeg_fL-I/hqdefault.jpg "Animal House Flounder") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arZdeg_fL-I) ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/338 "2025-06-06T18:31:19Z")
Here’s a blow-by-blow account of the online feud so far. I had already seen some of the more outrageous tweets / posts / whatever, but there was still a lot I hadn’t seen yet, and reading it in linear timeline order is fun. Grab some popcorn and enjoy! > **[Timeline of Elon Musk and Donald Trump’s feud | CNN Business](https://www.cnn.com/business/timeline-elon-musk-trump-x-dg)** > > An intense public feud erupted on Thursday between President Donald Trump and his one-time ally, billionaire Elon Musk, with an argument about Trump’s massive tax and domestic policy bill raging across social media and in the Oval Office. The feud’s been fairly one-sided so far; trump’s been relatively restrained. But I’m hoping sometime around 3am tomorrow morning trump’s rage and bile rises to the surface, and he can no longer help but rage-post some crazy shit about Musk. 🤞 ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/339 "2025-06-06T18:38:32Z")
> [@solost](#): > > But I’m hoping sometime around 3am tomorrow morning trump’s rage and bile rises to the surface, and he can no longer help but rage-post some crazy shit about Musk. 🤞 Michael Richards moment incoming in three, two… ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346/340 "2025-06-06T19:36:06Z")
> [@solost](#): > > Here’s a blow-by-blow account of the online feud so far. True. Rather unusual for Trump, and the question remains: Why? I invite your and other Dopers’ opinion on that. My take: - Trump has around him a large number of advisors who are telling to go slow and take it easy in the battle (i.e., don’t act in the impulsive manner that you usually do!). - Musk lacks such advisors, and he’s just as impulsive, if not more, than Trump; ergo, unchecked impulse at work. - Trump and/or said advisors may perceive that Musk is likely to lose the exchange in terms of self-inflicted damage, etc., if Trump remains comparatively restrained. - So then, are the things that Trump _did_ say (We can cancel his contracts, etc.?) the result of impulse leakage, strategic responding/goading, or what? I don’t know. My impression is that Musk has done more or less zero damage to Trump and has shoveled more “I’ve made a fool of myself” on the pile that he has recently amassed. In a way, I’m happy with that, as I’d rather see one of the two so weakened as to be completely taken out than to see both substantially but not critically damaged. Opinions about Trump are already ingrained, but it is good to see Musk become a cautionary example for other would-be nazi oligarchs and their fanbois. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-when-trump-and-musk-fall-out-what-will-it-be-over-the-results/1014346.md?page=18)