# If you accuse yourself of trolling, is that 2 violations? Or just 1? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [January 21, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925 "2013-01-21T18:09:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/41 "2013-03-19T13:17:59Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > My understanding of the rules is that you can’t troll in the pit, or anywhere else. The Pit is for flaming other posters or venting, not outright admitting that you’re trolling. (And for some weird-ass reason, he keeps bragging about it) So you can flame other people, but not if you’re doing it to piss them off? That seems like a remarkably fine line. I know I’ve posted stuff that I’ve known will piss the target off there. ETA and for that matter, was accused of trolling there earlier today. I wasn’t bothered, because it’s the Pit, and I assumed that’s what it’s there for. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/42 "2013-03-19T13:29:02Z")
I don’t believe BigT limits his trolling to the Pit, so that’s a moot argument. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/43 "2013-03-19T14:09:08Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > It should be quartantined Is it chopped into four pieces _before_ or _after_ it’s isolated from the general population? ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/44 "2013-03-19T14:39:00Z")
“so that’s a moo argument.” (Fixed that for you.) Aren’t most arguments moo arguments anyways? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/45 "2013-03-19T15:04:28Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > So…he’s deliberately being annoying to posters. This _is_ the definition of trolling.\* Are you seriously advocating that we warn or ban people for being annoying in the Pit? When you’ve been annoying to people in the Pit or elsewhere, it hasn’t been deliberate but merely inadvertent? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/46 "2013-03-19T15:10:23Z")
Wouldn’t it be three violations because it involves junior modding as well? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/47 "2013-03-19T15:22:19Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Are you seriously advocating that we warn or ban people for being annoying in the Pit? When you’ve been annoying to people in the Pit or elsewhere, it hasn’t been deliberate but merely inadvertent? :dubious: You’re conflating two issues: 1. BigT has never said in either post I quoted or in his other posts that he limits his “deliberately annoying posts” designed to “teach people a lesson” to the Pit. He does them everywhere, from what he implied. 2. Being annoying in the Pit may or may not be fine, but there’re years of precedent saying that trolling as such isn’t allowed in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/48 "2013-03-19T15:42:52Z")
Please answer the question: do you believe merely being annoying, deliberate or not, to be sufficient grounds for a warning or ban? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/49 "2013-03-19T16:14:47Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Please answer the question: do you believe merely being annoying, deliberate or not, to be sufficient grounds for a warning or ban? Are you asking as a moderator or a poster? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/50 "2013-03-19T16:18:47Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Are you asking as a moderator or a poster? Just answer the question. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/51 "2013-03-19T16:19:25Z")
Are you ordering me to do so as a moderator or asking me to do so as poster. My answer will vary. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/52 "2013-03-19T16:25:42Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Just answer the question. Objection; badgering the witness! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/53 "2013-03-19T16:28:56Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Are you ordering me to do so as a moderator or asking me to do so as poster. My answer will vary. I can’t “order you to do so as a moderator.” ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/54 "2013-03-19T16:35:16Z")
So you’re asking as a poster, even if you still wouldn’t directly answer. My answer is that if you’ve written multiple messages, bragging that you’re deliberately posting in all the forums (and not just the Pit) in a way designed to annoy people so as to “teach them a lesson”, yes, by SDMB rules as I, a humble poster, understand them, it’s certainly grounds for a warning or banning. Does this not match your idea of the rules? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/55 "2013-03-19T16:50:31Z")
Please answer the question I asked you. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/56 "2013-03-19T16:54:42Z")
No u! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/57 "2013-03-19T16:56:16Z")
The sexual tension in this thread is off the charts. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/58 "2013-03-19T17:04:11Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Please answer the question I asked you. I did. Perhaps you’d like me to quote my answer? You wrote: > [@](#): > > do you believe merely being annoying, deliberate or not, to be sufficient grounds for a warning or ban? I replied > [@](#): > > My answer is that if you’ve written multiple messages, bragging that you’re deliberately posting in all the forums (and not just the Pit) in a way designed to annoy people so as to “teach them a lesson”, yes, by SDMB rules as I, a humble poster, understand them, it’s certainly grounds for a warning or banning. Does this not match your idea of the rules? If you’re looking for a “yes” or “no” answer, you’re about to be disappointed, since you phrased the original question so poorly that either answer, yes or no, would result in an incorrect answer regarding my view. In addition, your question has nothing to do with what I’ve posted about in this thread. Nonetheless, I’ve answered. Given that you’re a mod, I’m curious about why you’re having such a hard time grasping that someone bragging about posting deliberately inflammatory stuff outside the pit to “teach posters a lesson” is a no-no. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/59 "2013-03-19T18:01:34Z")
Ok, so don’t answer my question. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925/60 "2013-03-19T18:39:42Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Ok, so don’t answer my question. He’s repeatedly answered it. Why don’t you, as a mod, give a clear statement on whether **Fenris** is correct, and if not, what the actual position is? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-accuse-yourself-of-trolling-is-that-2-violations-or-just-1/647925.md?page=4)