# If you are carrying water for Donald Trump, even now - especially now - kindly go fuck yourself **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710 "2017-05-16T02:20:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/181 "2017-05-17T13:26:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Was any of it done by you, with even half the enthusiasm you put into defending him? Instead of spending all your time telling us that what we are doing won’t work, why don’t you spend a little time telling us how to rid ourselves of this idiot you _claim_ to oppose. I have, but because you don’t want to hear the answer, you blot it out. 1. Build towards 2020. 2. Stop yapping about impeachment until unambiguous criminal evidence appears. Emoluments, land leases, and hiring Jared Kushner have all been suggested as reasons for impeachment, which proves only that you’re desperate to impeach and don’t really care about the niceties of the process. What I type: 1. Build towards 2020. 2. Stop yapping about impeachment until unambiguous criminal evidence appears. What Czarcasm reads: 1. blah blah blah 2. more blah blah blah I cannot help you with your cognitive defect. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/182 "2017-05-17T13:29:18Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > As I see it, Trump’s “I hope you can drop this” comment was indeed along the lines of “nice job you got here; shame if you were to lose it.” . > . > . > . > If this is all the evidence that turns up, I don’t think it would stick in court, but if I were Comey I would have taken it as a threat. If he did, it’s still exactly the sort of unprovable not-quite-threat that you yourself concede would not survive as proof in court. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/183 "2017-05-17T13:49:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The articles of impeachment against Clinton described the violation of a criminal statute. > > As to Trump, there is thus far no allegation of acts that are criminal. > > So what’s incorrect is the claim that “that is not standard under which previous impeachments have proceeded.” In contrast, previous impeachments have alleged an actual violation of criminal law. So attempting to influence an investigation isn’t illegal? If the mayor of a city called the police chief and told him to stop investigating a particular crime ( lets say mayor suspects his kid is a drug dealer, and wants the police to stop investigating marijuana sales in a particular neighborhood) - no law is broken? I would have assumed there is some sort of law against that sort of thing, so i am genuinely curious that it’s legal. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/184 "2017-05-17T13:49:56Z")
As of now, zero out of two impeachments of a President have resulted in conviction and removal (Nixon quit before he could be impeached). Even though we like to say it’s a political process and you don’t really need the kind of evidence that will hold up in a “real” court, the scant record so far with Presidents is the House may reach for whatever they can hang it on, but Senators are loath to sack a President unless you got yourself something really worth the potential fallout. But at the same time, the fact that it IS political means I don’t expect the congressional GOP will lend the votes unless you have a rock solid slam dunk of a case, perhaps involving dead girls AND live boys, shootings in broad daylight on 5th Avenue and inviting Putin to reannex the Aleutians, with multiple eyewitnesses and a sworn confession. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/185 "2017-05-17T14:03:03Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > So attempting to influence an investigation isn’t illegal? If the mayor of a city called the police chief and told him to stop investigating a particular crime ( lets say mayor suspects his kid is a drug dealer, and wants the police to stop investigating marijuana sales in a particular neighborhood) - no law is broken? I have no idea. What state? What’s the line of reporting? How explicitly does the mayor deliver his request? > [@](#): > > I would have assumed there is some sort of law against that sort of thing, so i am genuinely curious that it’s legal. Here there are two federal laws in play. One relates to investigations where there is a grand jury convened, and the other requires more specifically clear actions than have been alleged against Trump. [My post 161](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20212877&postcount=161) gives detailed discussion. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/186 "2017-05-17T14:08:38Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > As of now, zero out of two impeachments of a President have resulted in conviction and removal (Nixon quit before he could be impeached). Even though we like to say it’s a political process and you don’t really need the kind of evidence that will hold up in a “real” court, the scant record so far with Presidents is the House may reach for whatever they can hang it on, but Senators are loath to sack a President unless you got yourself something really worth the potential fallout. > > But at the same time, the fact that it IS political means I don’t expect the congressional GOP will lend the votes unless you have a rock solid slam dunk of a case, perhaps involving dead girls AND live boys, shootings in broad daylight on 5th Avenue and inviting Putin to reannex the Aleutians, with multiple eyewitnesses and a sworn confession. It’s not illegal if the president does it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/187 "2017-05-17T14:11:33Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It’s not illegal if the president does it. What specifically do you mean? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/188 "2017-05-17T14:13:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I haven’t heard anything in the discussion of Trump’s words that rise to this level. What’s been reported thus far is merely Trump saying (in February) that he hoped Comey would conclude the investigation. I’m open to education on this point, but there does not seem to be any allegation that Trump said anything that would constitute a threat. I would think that any time someone with the power to fire someone else makes a suggestion, that is more than a suggestion. If I tell an employee, “I hope that you clean up the backroom.” That’s not just an idle hope, or a wish that they take it upon themselves to clean up, but it is actually an order, given by the boss, a person who can fire or otherwise directly affect their employment. A boss gives orders to employees under threat of firing, always, even if they are couched in more friendly terms. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/189 "2017-05-17T14:13:57Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I have no idea. What state? What’s the line of reporting? How explicitly does the mayor deliver his request? > > Here there are two federal laws in play. One relates to investigations where there is a grand jury convened, and the other requires more specifically clear actions than have been alleged against Trump. [My post 161](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20212877&postcount=161) gives detailed discussion. Virginia. He isn’t completely explicit, but the chief feels his job is on the line. Lo and behokd, when the chief doesn’t drop it, he gets fired. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/190 "2017-05-17T14:14:36Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > You just can’t take those blinders off, can you? Trump openly colludes with Russia, You mean by sharing anti-terrorism data? Yeah, real collusion there. > **[Trump Talk With Russians 'Wholly Appropriate,' Adviser Says](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/trump-russia-terrorism-facts-classified-information-report/)** > > President Donald Trump on Tuesday defended his right to share "facts pertaining to terrorism" and airline safety with Russia. > [@](#): > > fires those who investigate, Comey was fired for being incompetent, not for investigating. Remember him announcing the result of the FBI’s investigation of Clinton showing that she had committed felonies…and then giving her a pass on them? Or have you conveniently forgotten that? > [@](#): > > and all you see is liberal whining. Remember when _Conservatives_ thought of Russia as the US’s biggest enemy, Comrade Hump? Probably better than you, because it was the USSR that was the US’s biggest enemy. That no longer exists, or did you not get the memo? And yeah, whine, whine, whine. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/191 "2017-05-17T14:17:36Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > What specifically do you mean? I was responding snarkily that even if there were rock solid proof of dead girls, live boys, and a give away of the aleutian islands, that he would still be defended under the defense of “it is not illegal if the president does it.” I assume that I am wrong on this point that I made sarcastically, but I actually do fear that I am not. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/192 "2017-05-17T14:19:20Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > Calling other posters “motherfuckers” is against board rules, even if they have you on ignore. Please avoid doing this in the future. > [/Moderating] > > [Moderating] > Quoting someone calling a poster a motherfucker so the target can see is also pretty iffy. Don’t do this, either. > > No warnings issued. > [/Moderating] Apologies, **Miller**. I had a momentary lapse. As far as **ThelmaLou** , all she did was echo my sentiment. It’s all on me. I know no warnings were issued, but I was the rulebreaker. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/193 "2017-05-17T14:23:44Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > \Comey was fired for being incompetent, not for investigating.\ Trump himself stated - on camera - that Comey was fired due to the Russia investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/194 "2017-05-17T14:23:53Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Virginia. He isn’t completely explicit, but the chief feels his job is on the line. Lo and behokd, when the chief doesn’t drop it, he gets fired. It might be a crime. The legality would turn on how reasonable the chief’s reaction was – in other words, objectively, would a reasonable person perceive a threat? It would also depend upon showing that the mayor intended to deliver that threat. But the kicker would be whether the conduct continued after the chief advised the mayor to stop: “…fails or refuses without just cause to cease such obstruction” is an element of Va Code § 18.2-460(A). These are elements that don’t have corresponding federal analogues. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/195 "2017-05-17T14:29:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It might be a crime. The legality would turn on how reasonable the chief’s reaction was – in other words, objectively, would a reasonable person perceive a threat? The press is also reporting that Trump cleared the room prior to talking to Comey. He asked Pence and Sessions to leave, leaving him alone. Legally, does this demonstrate that Trump knew that what he was doing was questionable? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/196 "2017-05-17T14:32:03Z")
> [@drm](#): > > That’s the dumbest thing anyone has ever said. Unfortunately, it’s not even the dumbest thing in this thread. > [@BigT](#): > > Fighting ignorance is not more important than getting rid of an anti-Christ. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/197 "2017-05-17T14:36:19Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Legally, does this demonstrate that Trump knew that what he was doing was questionable? Heavens, yes. Legally, any time anyone speaks to anyone else privately, that is proof of criminal intent. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/198 "2017-05-17T14:38:32Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Heavens, yes. Legally, any time anyone speaks to anyone else privately, that is proof of criminal intent. > > Regards, > Shodan If you were going to answer a different question than the one asked, why bother to respond? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/199 "2017-05-17T14:41:13Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Comey was fired for being incompetent, not for investigating. Remember him announcing the result of the FBI’s investigation of Clinton showing that she had committed felonies…and then giving her a pass on them? Or have you conveniently forgotten that? We’ll be seeing those charges from the administration any day now…just wait, it’s coming. Soon… It’s coming… Actually, could that be the new distraction - attempting to prosecute Hillary? We’ve already bombed just about every impotent target we can. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/200 "2017-05-17T14:44:51Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Actually, could that be the new distraction - attempting to prosecute Hillary? We have evidence upthread that the stupids would eat that up, and the stupids are Trump’s base. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710.md?page=11)