# If you are carrying water for Donald Trump, even now - especially now - kindly go fuck yourself **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710 "2017-05-16T02:20:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/221 "2017-05-17T17:54:51Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > “Don’t talk about the facts! I don’t want to hear them! Facts are bad!” > > Is that the cry of a good Democrat? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > “I’m betting money that Trump is going to get away with this!” > Is that the cry of someone who is opposed to Trump? Could be the cry of someone who’s opposed to the America-hating fuckstick currently befouling the Oval Office, but has given up. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/222 "2017-05-17T18:06:05Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > The conservative movement has never been sincere about ideas, not since 1964 anyway. Since about 1994, it hasn’t even been sincere about conservatism. Because, by definition, conservatism cannot be radicalism. Which is how the _soi-disant_ “conservatives” have been behaving since _at least_ the “Contract [del]with[/del] on America.” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/223 "2017-05-17T18:07:46Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > :o > > Oddly, I didn’t read all of **Superdude** ’s post, only the part about Clothy not being able to read it. Didn’t even see the M-F word. Sorry. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > You passed on information without reading it, just to be popular? You coulda been president! No she couldn’t. She apologized when corrected. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/224 "2017-05-17T18:23:26Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Probably better than you, because it was the USSR that was the US’s biggest enemy. That no longer exists, or did you not get the memo? Are you somehow under the impression that Putin’s endgame is NOT to resurrect the USSR, in form, if not in name? On reflection, yeah, you probably are. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/225 "2017-05-17T18:24:15Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The articles of impeachment against Clinton described the violation of a criminal statute. > > As to Trump, there is thus far no allegation of acts that are criminal. > > So what’s incorrect is the claim that “that is not standard under which previous impeachments have proceeded.” In contrast, previous impeachments have alleged an actual violation of criminal law. I think I have to disagree with you on this. The articles of impeachment against Clinton described behavior by Clinton that could be interpreted as a violation of obstruction of justice laws. The fact that he actually broke the law was not established in a court of law. And I feel the equivalent articles could be written against Trump at this point. I can see your point that he hasn’t been convicted and that it would be possible that he might present a successful defense that his statement either wasn’t made or shouldn’t be viewed as a threat. But it’s also possible that a jury looking at the evidence we have now could decide that he made the statement and that it was a threat and therefore qualified as obstruction of justice. It’s become a matter of which witnesses do you find credible. You may feel that “I hope you can let this go” does not qualify as a threat. But I feel that such a statement, delivered by the President in this context, is the equivalent of “nice place you got here; shame if anything happened to it”. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/226 "2017-05-17T18:30:00Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The press is also reporting that Trump cleared the room prior to talking to Comey. He asked Pence and Sessions to leave, leaving him alone. Legally, does this demonstrate that Trump knew that what he was doing was questionable? PROTIP: “Demonstrate” and “suggest” are two different words for a reason; the reason being that they mean different things. When presented in the context of a question about _legality_, the difference becomes more stark than when being discussed at, say, a cocktail party. ETA: _aaaannnnd_ ninja’d by **Bricker**. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/227 "2017-05-17T18:37:41Z")
> [@Psychopants](#): > > From twitter 12 May - this sure sounds somewhat threatening to me: > > “James Comey better hope that there are no “tapes” of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!” Two ways to parse that: 1. “better hope that there are no ‘tapes’” _because they would easily refute his allegations_. 2. “better hope that there are no ‘tapes’” _because if he’s got anything to substantiate his allegations, his life is worth less than the probable fee charged by a GRU hitman_. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/228 "2017-05-17T18:42:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > From your cite: > > “No president has ever been impeached although two have gone to the Senate for a vote.” > > Thanks for helping [del]fight[/del] spread ignorance, MichiganLive! > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > …written by interns who flunked civics? M[ichig]ansplaining… ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/229 "2017-05-17T18:48:31Z")
One thing that caught my attention is that Trump did not, in my opinion, hope that Comey concluded the investigation. " concluding" to me implies that it is carried to its logical end and finished. He apparently said he hoped Comey could " let it go," which to me implies drop it and not actually finish it. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/230 "2017-05-17T18:51:21Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The press is also reporting that Trump cleared the room prior to talking to Comey. He asked Pence and Sessions to leave, leaving him alone. Legally, does this demonstrate that Trump knew that what he was doing was questionable? > [@Bricker](#): > > No. It’s something that suggests it, but it doesn’t demonstrate it. It also suggests that when the America-hating fuckstick orders the room cleared, whoever’s left with him should ask that any requests, suggestions, and “hopes” expressed be given to him\* in writing. \*or her. It could be a “her.” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/231 "2017-05-17T19:03:53Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I think I have to disagree with you on this. The articles of impeachment against Clinton described behavior by Clinton that could be interpreted as a violation of obstruction of justice laws. The fact that he actually broke the law was not established in a court of law. The articles of impeachment are analogous to an indictment. They accuse the President of acts that, if proven, would warrant impeachment. I am arguing that those accusations must, as a matter of political reality (but not legal requirement!) include an accusation of an act that if proven would be criminal, just like an indictment. So it’s not meaningful to argue that President Clinton’s acts were never proved in a court of law. That’s not the prerequisite I’m suggesting. I’m suggesting that the articles passed against Clinton included allegations of acts that were criminal. > [@](#): > > And I feel the equivalent articles could be written against Trump at this point. I can see your point that he hasn’t been convicted… That’s not my point at all. I’m arguing that these acts would not sustain a criminal indictment. They don’t rise to the level of probable cause. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/232 "2017-05-17T19:08:03Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > That’s a Nixon quote. And…? What of it? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/233 "2017-05-17T19:12:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > “I’m betting money that Trump is going to get away with this!” > Is that the cry of someone who is opposed to Trump? Yes. If I have to live under the idiocy of a Trump administration, I may as well line my pockets with the cash from people who substitute feelings for sober analysis. When I play poker I win money under the same rubric: people who confuse the actual math with their fervent desires. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/234 "2017-05-17T19:19:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes. > > If I have to live under the idiocy of a Trump administration, I may as well line my pockets with the cash from people who substitute feelings for sober analysis. > > When I play poker I win money under the same rubric: people who confuse the actual math with their fervent desires. It sure as hell is more profitable than getting off your ass and fighting for your principles. I mean, where’s the money in taking a stand? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/235 "2017-05-17T19:21:46Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Look: Trump is a target-rich environment of stupidity, gaffes, and lies. There is plenty of real stuff to worry about. But the hyperventilating over every tweet and the rampant conspiracy stuff has got to stop. It only validates the belief of his supporters that his enemies are unhinged and dishonest. Well, yeah and no. I heartily agree that there is some hyperventilating over every tweet, sound bite, and news story. Many conservatives did this during the Obama years. Some liberals are taking on that appearance of pathetic desperation. I disagree when you say “rampant conspiracy stuff.” While this also is a familiar throwback to Obama Derangement Syndrome, we’re in uncharted territory when the FBI director says he has receipts for the president’s obstruction, not to mention the other high-profile defections. But, as Winston Churchill says, if you throw rocks at every barking dog you pass, you’ll never get anywhere. As someone else said, when you shoot at the elephant, you’d better not miss. This is the time to collect our wits for the kill shot. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/236 "2017-05-17T20:23:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It sure as hell is more profitable than getting off your ass and fighting for your principles. > I mean, where’s the money in taking a stand? I’m a little too old to jump the White House fence. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/237 "2017-05-17T20:37:37Z")
If Trump shall be impeached and removed by a process that does not meet **Bricker’s** exacting standards, I will be deeply ashamed. Bereft. Inconsolable. Whether I can go on bearing such a burden of guilt is a question I dare not consider. He is, after all, our guiding light, our lodestone, our moral compost. Without his approval, a life of bitter repentance awaits. ---
**Author:** ![Balthisar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/balthisar/32/2825_2.png) [@Balthisar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balthisar)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/238 "2017-05-17T21:33:52Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Oh nice, the Libertarian cunts think they are somehow immune from being pieces of shit. The two most disliked candidates square off, the Libertarians nominate the most mainstream ticket imaginable and get considerably more media attention than they ever did before… And still can’t get the votes needed for matching funding. Thanks to idiots like you, though, here we are with the two party system that gives us Clinton or Trump. So, pretty much, a big fuck you to everyone without the balls to break the system. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/239 "2017-05-17T21:38:10Z")
Idiots who don’t know what Duverger’s Law is shouldn’t call other people idiots. Idiot. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/240 "2017-05-17T21:42:23Z")
> [@Balthisar](#): > > Thanks to idiots like you, though, here we are with the two party system that gives us Clinton or Trump. So, pretty much, a big fuck you to everyone without the balls to break the system. Think you need to blame the founding fathers on that one, they are the ones that set up the first past the post system along with the electoral system. The two party system will remain until there is an amendment to change the way that presidents are elected. Until then, a vote for a third party presidential candidate is a completely wasted vote, and will basically consume your vote in such a way that you essentially cast a vote for the person most ideoligically opposed to you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710.md?page=13)