# If you are carrying water for Donald Trump, even now - especially now - kindly go fuck yourself **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710 "2017-05-16T02:20:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/241 "2017-05-17T21:42:24Z")
> [@Balthisar](#): > > Thanks to idiots like you, though, here we are with the two party system that gives us Clinton or Trump. So, pretty much, a big fuck you to everyone without the balls to break the system. It’s not that person’s fault. When you have a first past the post, winner take all voting system you will always end up with two parties. It’s just how the math works out. In smaller races you can get occasional break-outs from the two but in the big presidential race it is extraordinarily unlikely. Best we might hope for is getting a constitutional convention called and getting a new system like [instant runoff voting](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE) (or something else…there are a few to choose from with different up/down sides). That is also very unlikely to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/242 "2017-05-17T21:50:48Z")
> [@Balthisar](#): > > Thanks to idiots like you, though, here we are with the two party system that gives us Clinton or Trump. So, pretty much, a big fuck you to everyone without the balls to break the system. Because clearly, when we have two sides at an ideological impasse, unable to compromise or agree on anything, [what we need is a _third_ side with which to form further ideological impasses with](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seTQHy6w3gA)! :rolleyes: Unless you think that by some fucking miracle, a third party is going to be so acceptable to the partisan American populace that it will marginalize _both_ existing parties, in which case you’re still crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/243 "2017-05-17T21:53:33Z")
Reason to join a third party: If you want to claim to have superior ideas without ever having to prove it. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/244 "2017-05-17T21:55:20Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Because clearly, when we have two sides at an ideological impasse, unable to compromise or agree on anything, [what we need is a _third_ side with which to form further ideological impasses with](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seTQHy6w3gA)! > > :rolleyes: > > Unless you think that by some fucking miracle, a third party is going to be so acceptable to the partisan American populace that it will marginalize _both_ existing parties, in which case you’re still crazy. To be fair, a system that has multiple stable parties will generally run better. If one party decides to be obstructionist, than the other parties just continue to govern without them. there are many reasons I would be in favor of a multiparty system, but I am under no illusion that such a system would come about just because I voted for gary johnson. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/245 "2017-05-17T22:20:47Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Best we might hope for is getting a constitutional convention called and getting a new system like [instant runoff voting](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE) (or something else…there are a few to choose from with different up/down sides). That is also very unlikely to happen. I dream of a constitutional convention. Amendment 28: Sec 1: There are no penumbras or emanations. Sec 2: The words of the Constitution matter, even though they were written years ago by dead white men. Sec 3: Any judge who begins to push at this line must write, by hand, two thousand times, “I am sorry I tried to substitute my desired outcome for the text of the Constitution. I firmly resolve to never again do this.” Judges refusing the punishment are immediately removed from office. OK, it’s not a very likely dream. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/246 "2017-05-17T22:33:14Z")
Those still carrying water for Scalia can go to hell as well. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![brossa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brossa/32/3040_2.png) [@brossa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brossa)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/247 "2017-05-17T22:40:06Z")
What is the legal definition of “corruptly” w/r/t “corruptly, or by threats or force”? It seems like a third way to obstruct justice which does not involve either threats or force. I’m guessing the exchange of money or other considerations, but perhaps it is broader than that… ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/248 "2017-05-17T22:41:27Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Julius and Ethel Rosenberg got th’ chair. Ya think Trump is gonna get th’ chair? I hope not, the fat bastard would start a grease fire. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/249 "2017-05-17T22:45:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I sense that you don’t actually want a legal analysis unless it ends with “Yes, it’s legally the crime of obstruction of justice.” I’ll risk getting “not the answer I want”. What is your take? I know the Prez can declassify material, but that sort of short explanation is too simplistic. As far as deliberately interfering in an ongoing FBI investigation (he DID) that might eventually settle on him, I doubt it’s so simple. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/250 "2017-05-17T22:49:04Z")
> [@drm](#): > > That’s the dumbest thing anyone has ever said. Pretty damn close at least ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/251 "2017-05-17T22:52:24Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And I will continue to point out that you have no ethical obligation to do so. You are not his defense attorney. Nowhere in either the Bible nor your catechisms does it say you have to do this. > > You are choosing to defend Trump. Yet you claim you do not want to do so. So don’t. > > Fighting ignorance is not more important than getting rid of an anti-Christ. an Anti Christ? Not even close. To be an Anti Christ you have to know what you are doing, and have a plan. This Donald Dump guy is just a spoiled two year old shit head who never got the beatings he so obviously deserves. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/252 "2017-05-17T22:53:41Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > “Don’t talk about the facts! I don’t want to hear them! Facts are bad!” > > Is that the cry of a good Democrat? Fake news. Unfair. Fake news. Liberal media. Uh huh. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/253 "2017-05-17T22:54:39Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I dream of a constitutional convention. > > Amendment 28: Would the constitutional convention add amendments or just rewrite the Constitution? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/254 "2017-05-17T22:54:43Z")
> [@brossa](#): > > What is the legal definition of “corruptly” w/r/t “corruptly, or by threats or force”? > > It seems like a third way to obstruct justice which does not involve either threats or force. I’m guessing the exchange of money or other considerations, but perhaps it is broader than that… The Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit found it a nullity, because it’s too vague to be enforceable. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/255 "2017-05-17T22:56:40Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Would the constitutional convention add amendments or just rewrite the Constitution? No one knows. Please don’t take my amendment 28 thing seriously. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/256 "2017-05-17T22:57:24Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The press is also reporting that Trump cleared the room prior to talking to Comey. He asked Pence and Sessions to leave, leaving him alone. Legally, does this demonstrate that Trump knew that what he was doing was questionable? I’d say YES. He knew it was some flaky shit. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/257 "2017-05-17T23:00:43Z")
The important thing to remember is that Trump has committed no illegal acts, or at least there is not a reasonable certainty of conviction for illegal acts. Therefore, it’s all good, and Trump can proceed as usual. No problems here! Look away! ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/258 "2017-05-17T23:01:16Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No one knows. > > Please don’t take my amendment 28 thing seriously. It was obviously not serious, but I just wondered… Though I don’t think a constitutional convention can ever be convened. Just like you shouldn’t ask questions you don’t know the answers to, you shouldn’t appoint an all-powerful assembly when you have no idea what it will do. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/259 "2017-05-17T23:02:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Reason to join a third party: If you want to claim to have superior ideas without ever having to prove it. That sounds too much like being a hipster 😃 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/260 "2017-05-17T23:48:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I dream of a constitutional convention. > > Amendment 28: > > Sec 1: There are no penumbras or emanations. > > Sec 2: The words of the Constitution matter, even though they were written years ago by dead white men. > > Sec 3: Any judge who begins to push at this line must write, by hand, two thousand times, “I am sorry I tried to substitute my desired outcome for the text of the Constitution. I firmly resolve to never again do this.” Judges refusing the punishment are immediately removed from office. > > OK, it’s not a very likely dream. I’m curious whether you view the constitution as an infallible document, in its current state. (?) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710.md?page=14)