# If you are carrying water for Donald Trump, even now - especially now - kindly go fuck yourself **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710 "2017-05-16T02:20:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![brossa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brossa/32/3040_2.png) [@brossa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brossa)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/261 "2017-05-17T23:58:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit found it a nullity, because it’s too vague to be enforceable. Does that mean that _only_ threats or force meet the criteria for obstruction of justice? What about stuff like payoffs, helping witnesses flee the jurisdiction, sudden promotions/transfers for all the investigating officers, etc.? Separate crimes, perhaps, but not _specifically_ obstruction of justice? What about “I’m your boss. Drop the investigation of my friends.”? Just a bald order. I’m not trying to be snarky; I don’t understand the legal nicities. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/262 "2017-05-18T00:04:03Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Just like you shouldn’t ask questions you don’t know the answers to That sounds like a great principle for perpetuating one’s ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![brossa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brossa/32/3040_2.png) [@brossa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brossa)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/263 "2017-05-18T00:10:24Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > That sounds like a great principle for perpetuating one’s ignorance. Probably not when you’re an attorney in court. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/264 "2017-05-18T00:13:05Z")
> [@brossa](#): > > Probably not when you’re an attorney in court. That was the implication. Not that Kobal2 didn’t know that. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/265 "2017-05-18T00:13:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Reason to join a third party: If you want to claim to have superior ideas without ever having to prove it. I thought that was the reason to make a prediction on this MB. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/266 "2017-05-18T00:27:56Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Why, Sam - you sound so _angry!_ I do believe that you are starting to hyperventilate a little. Be careful, you are standing right down in that mudpit! Angry is not a thing Canadians normally do. Check his passport. > [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > You look stupid when your complaint about typos has a typo. Round these parts it’s called “[Gaudere’s Law](https://ianferrel.wordpress.com/2005/05/19/gauderes-law/),” pard. > [@Bricker](#): > > The articles of impeachment against Clinton described the violation of a criminal statute. > > As to Trump, there is thus far no allegation of acts that are criminal. > > So what’s incorrect is the claim that “that is not standard under which previous impeachments have proceeded.” In contrast, previous impeachments have alleged an actual violation of criminal law. Cue the call for a Special Prosecutor to provide more than internet allegations. 😉 > [@Superdude](#): > > Apologies, **Miller**. I had a momentary lapse. As far as **ThelmaLou** , all she did was echo my sentiment. It’s all on me. I know no warnings were issued, but I was the rulebreaker. That was…classy. What did you do with the old **Superdude**? 😃 > [@Punoqllads](#): > > That’s a Nixon quote. > [@Bricker](#): > > And…? What of it? Duh? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/267 "2017-05-18T00:54:48Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > It was obviously not serious, but I just wondered… Though I don’t think a constitutional convention can ever be convened. Just like you shouldn’t ask questions you don’t know the answers to, you shouldn’t appoint an all-powerful assembly when you have no idea what it will do. You do not think a constitutional convention _can_ ever be convened or you do not think one ever _should_ be convened? No question it would be quite the show with everyone crawling out of the woodwork to propose their own change. Fortunately the vote to accept those changes is pretty steep so the “We should all move back to the trees” people likely won’t get very far. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/268 "2017-05-18T01:12:14Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Angry is not a thing Canadians normally do. Check his passport. Oh, we have angry dudes. They usually come from Alberta. We make them put that on their passport. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/269 "2017-05-18T03:45:52Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Duh? That’s not an answer that means anything. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/270 "2017-05-18T04:32:20Z")
Well, what if its not a threat or a bribe, but an entreaty? What if Trump dropped to the floor, flung himself around Comey’s knees, and begged, pleaded and beseeched? Seems to me, a boor of little brain and TG,IANAL, but still seems to me that the essential criminality of _any_ effort to affect an investigation is the effort itself. Whether the effort is couched as a threat, a bribe or a blubbering cry for mercy has no bearing on the thing itself. Ugly is ugly, whether its a horn toad, a Moray eel or Yo Mamma. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/271 "2017-05-18T05:24:23Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Think you need to blame the founding fathers on that one… Libertarians have a shitty concept of history. It’s one of many things they cannot seem to grasp. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/272 "2017-05-18T05:28:22Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Seems to me, a boor of little brain and TG,IANAL, but still seems to me that the essential criminality of _any_ effort to affect an investigation is the effort itself. Whether the effort is couched as a threat, a bribe or a blubbering cry for mercy has no bearing on the thing itself. Ugly is ugly, whether its a horn toad, a Moray eel or Yo Mamma. …or whether it’s ultimately successful. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/273 "2017-05-18T05:41:53Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Fortunately the vote to accept those changes is pretty steep so the “We should all move back to the trees” people likely won’t get very far. The unfortunate part is that the delegates would be chosen by the states, and the Tea Partiers would be pushing to have the most radical, bug-fucking crazy right wingers stacked to the ceiling in any convention. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/274 "2017-05-18T06:04:30Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > If Trump shall be impeached and removed by a process that does not meet **Bricker’s** exacting standards, I will be deeply ashamed. Bereft. Inconsolable. Whether I can go on bearing such a burden of guilt is a question I dare not consider. He is, after all, our guiding light, our lodestone, our moral compost. Without his approval, a life of bitter repentance awaits. Well-phrased, but don’t you think “loadstone” would have been a bit more felicitous? Or would using that along with “moral compost” have been too broad for your tastes? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/275 "2017-05-18T06:19:56Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I dream of a constitutional convention. > > Amendment 28: > > Sec 1: There are no penumbras or emanations. > > Sec 2: The words of the Constitution matter, even though they were written years ago by dead white men. > > Sec 3: Any judge who begins to push at this line must write, by hand, two thousand times, “I am sorry I tried to substitute my desired outcome for the text of the Constitution. I firmly resolve to never again do this.” Judges refusing the punishment are immediately removed from office. > > OK, it’s not a very likely dream. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > I’m curious whether you view the constitution as an infallible document, in its current state. (?) Unlikely, or he wouldn’t be proposing a change to it. He just believes that any SCOTUS precedents that have relied on penumbras and/or emanations would be on solider constitutional footing if they had been achieved thrkugh legislation or by constitutional amendment. He has stated as much, several times, during his tenure as a Doper. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/276 "2017-05-18T06:30:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The articles of impeachment are analogous to an indictment. They accuse the President of acts that, if proven, would warrant impeachment. Are you certain that you didn’t intend to say _if proven, would warrant conviction and removal from office_? If not, you seem to be effectively suggesting that when an indictment is handed down, the charge[s], if proven, would warrant the indictment of the defendant. (I know that this post may seem chronologically out of whack with my last two, but I decided to wait and see if anyone else brought it up.) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/277 "2017-05-18T07:03:22Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I dream of a constitutional convention. > > Amendment 28: > > Sec 1: There are no penumbras or emanations. > > Sec 2: The words of the Constitution matter, even though they were written years ago by dead white men. > > Sec 3: Any judge who begins to push at this line must write, by hand, two thousand times, “I am sorry I tried to substitute my desired outcome for the text of the Constitution. I firmly resolve to never again do this.” Judges refusing the punishment are immediately removed from office. > > OK, it’s not a very likely dream. What, in your opinion, is the meaning of the Ninth Amendment? Or do you think the Ninth Amendment has no meaning? Do you feel the Second Amendment includes a right to own and carry ammunition? If so, where is that stated in the text of the Constitution? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/278 "2017-05-18T09:48:07Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > That was the implication. Not that Kobal2 didn’t know that. I actually didn’t. If it’s an idiom, I didn’t know that one. In my defense, I’m French. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/279 "2017-05-18T11:14:46Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > What, in your opinion, is the meaning of the Ninth Amendment? Or do you think the Ninth Amendment has no meaning? > > **Do you feel the Second Amendment includes a right to own and carry ammunition?** If so, where is that stated in the text of the Constitution? Exactly. The moment you spring that little word trap on the right wing bozos, they go bananas. ---
**Author:** ![Balthisar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/balthisar/32/2825_2.png) [@Balthisar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balthisar)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/280 "2017-05-18T11:15:19Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Until then, a vote for a third party presidential candidate is a completely wasted vote, and will basically consume your vote in such a way that you essentially cast a vote for the person most ideoligically opposed to you. I’m not so sure about that. Hillary lost, after all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710.md?page=15)