# If you are carrying water for Donald Trump, even now - especially now - kindly go fuck yourself **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710 "2017-05-16T02:20:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![illoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a3d4f5/32.png) [@illoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/illoe)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/21 "2017-05-16T04:48:31Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You know, all these denials pouring in from various Whitehouse toadies is starting to make me pretty confident of one thing;… > > … > … > > Tomorrow, Donald Trump will do an interview where he admits he told the Russians confidential information. This was beautiful. My heart hurts a little less today. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/22 "2017-05-16T04:52:14Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > No, there will be a 3AM twitter storm where Trump complains bitterly about Clinton, Benghazi, emails and starts calling Republicans that have criticised him traitors… 2 Hours until 3AM in DC… This. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/23 "2017-05-16T06:14:57Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I’m not carrying water for Trump, who I think is a stain on the Presidency who has beclowned the United States to the world. But that does not mean I won’t defend him against obvious lies, smears, threats of violence, bogus or silly arguments, etc. > > Look: Trump is a target-rich environment of stupidity, gaffes, and lies. There is plenty of real stuff to worry about. But the hyperventilating over every tweet and the rampant conspiracy stuff has got to stop. It only validates the belief of his supporters that his enemies are unhinged and dishonest. > > As the old saying goes, if you get in the mud to fight a pig, you lose. You just get yourself dirty, and the pig likes it. > > The moral high ground has been ceded by Trump. Don’t cede it back to him because you’re mad or afraid. I couldn’t concede the moral high ground back to Donald Trump unless I committed several war crimes. So thanks for the “concern” but I don’t need it. I will continue to pour my scorn upon the man, secure in the knowledge that he richly deserves far more contempt than I’ll ever be able to produce. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/24 "2017-05-16T06:31:27Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > I don’t care if you’re trolling YouTube and Yahoo comments sections or are on Fox News. > > I don’t care if you are literally believing bullshit or just trying to rationalize things to make yourself feel better. > > It means nothing to me whether your attempts to stick up for the piece of shit POTUS are motivated by your being a Republican and he’s on your team and it’s oh so fun stiggin’ it to the Libs or are because you identify as an Independent (that’s a whole other “fuck you” really) who somehow only seems to come out of your cave when it is to defend some bullshit Trump has said or done, or even if you’re a supposed Leftist who _still_ feels that HRC was a much worse choice, even after all of the evidence three-plus months has given us. > > I could care less if you attempt intelligent discussion or if you scream obscenities. > > If you feel the need to defend the actions and words that are commonplace in the Trump administration, you are an asshole. If you try and stick up for them, you are a moron. If you attempt to rationalize that they’re not so bad, you are an idiot. > > Everyone who knows you should mock you for the partisan fool that you are, unable to admit that your vote for Trump or not for HRC was the second biggest mistake of your pathetic life (the first, of course, being your refusal to make that admission even now, especially now). > > Trump is terrible. His administration has been one Constitutional crisis after another. There is no defense here. And if you feel the need to advocate for this piece of shit, then you are a piece of shit. Why ask them to do so “kindly?” I’d prefer something more like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YssMT0qXYOw). ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/25 "2017-05-16T07:37:29Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I’m not carrying water for Trump, who I think is a stain on the Presidency who has beclowned the United States to the world. But that does not mean I won’t defend him against obvious lies, smears, threats of violence, bogus or silly arguments, etc. > > Look: Trump is a target-rich environment of stupidity, gaffes, and lies. There is plenty of real stuff to worry about. But the hyperventilating over every tweet and the rampant conspiracy stuff has got to stop. It only validates the belief of his supporters that his enemies are unhinged and dishonest. > > As the old saying goes, if you get in the mud to fight a pig, you lose. You just get yourself dirty, and the pig likes it. > > The moral high ground has been ceded by Trump. Don’t cede it back to him because you’re mad or afraid. If you aren’t carrying water for Trump, then don’t make posts like this. Don’t make small issues like this seem like they are some widespread problem. Don’t weaken actual real arguments about conspiracies (i.e. the Russia issue). Don’t portray people as hyperventilating rather than being legitimately upset or legitimately scared. And, well, there is no moral obligation to defend someone, even if they are being maligned. You can decide that the person is so awful that you do more harm than good in defending them. And you can correct misconceptions without actually defending the man or attacking people who were misled. (That includes conservatives who just have to get digs on liberals, even though we’re currently on the same side here–against Trump.) Finally, given Trump’s election, I’m not so sure the high ground is as important as people make it out to be anyways. Sure seems odd that suddenly Republicans and conservatives are constantly pushing the Democrats in this way, when before they were all about how freedom of speech meant everyone could be assholes, and no one had any right to be offended. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/26 "2017-05-16T07:56:59Z")
And don’t come telling me that it’s _my_ responsibility to reach out to these traitors and to make sure that I’m not alienating them, because “hey - these are your fellow Americans”. Clearly, _some_ of them are not. The Better Angels of our Nature have a lot to answer for. ---
**Author:** ![ataraxy22](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ataraxy22/32/307_2.png) [@ataraxy22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ataraxy22)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/27 "2017-05-16T08:23:48Z")
It must blow Trumpist minds that not that they are best buds with Russia and Russia is buds with Iran, that they are on the same side as all those Iranians they are supposed to hate. How are they ever going to give up a war with Tehran now? Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/28 "2017-05-16T09:05:23Z")
Literally the only reassuring part of this whole story is that Trump is so catastrophically incompetent. If he were even _slightly_ better at keeping his stupid mouth shut, this story might be relegated to the list of left-wing conspiracy theories. Then I remember that the republicans in congress are still supporting him despite that, and I realize just how fucked we are. At this point, I don’t think voting for any republican at any level of government can be morally justified. The party is evil, corrupt, and utterly unwilling to even _pretend_ that they care about accountability for anyone working on their “side”. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/29 "2017-05-16T09:12:46Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I must imagine **Okrahoma** ’s ears (both left and right) are burning, right about now… I hear Preparation H[sup]tm[/sup] helps that. ---
**Author:** ![Balthisar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/balthisar/32/2825_2.png) [@Balthisar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balthisar)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/30 "2017-05-16T11:14:26Z")
I told you all to vote for Gary Johnson, so this is the result. Screw _all_ of you who wasted your votes on that idiot Clinton. You made your bed; now sleep in it. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/31 "2017-05-16T11:21:52Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I’m not carrying water for Trump, who I think is a stain on the Presidency who has beclowned the United States to the world. But that does not mean I won’t defend him against obvious lies, smears, threats of violence, bogus or silly arguments, etc. This > [@](#): > > Look: Trump is a target-rich environment of stupidity, gaffes, and lies. There is plenty of real stuff to worry about. But the hyperventilating over every tweet and the rampant conspiracy stuff has got to stop. And this. > [@](#): > > It only validates the belief of his supporters that his enemies are unhinged and dishonest. ISTM that the first applies to a number of Dopers. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/32 "2017-05-16T11:23:26Z")
> [@Balthisar](#): > > I told you all to vote for Gary Johnson, so this is the result. Screw _all_ of you who wasted your votes on that idiot Clinton. You made your bed; now sleep in it. Fuck Gary Johnson for being an ignorant buffoon that acted like he didn’t even want the job half the time. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/33 "2017-05-16T11:26:55Z")
On a message board devoted to fighting ignorance, I am comfortable “carrying water” for the actual facts, whoever they may benefit. Call Trump an clueless boob, and I won’t dispute you. Call him an arsonist and I will, even though he’s the worst President in my memory. Because when you care about facts, then there arises an obligation to defend Trump against the accusation that he’s an arsonist. Not because I wish to defend Trump, but because I have an interest in fighting ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![random6x7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8baadc/32.png) [@random6x7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/random6x7)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/34 "2017-05-16T11:30:02Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You know, all these denials pouring in from various Whitehouse toadies is starting to make me pretty confident of one thing;… > > … > … > > Tomorrow, Donald Trump will do an interview where he admits he told the Russians confidential information. It’s a tweet, but you are not wrong. [QUOTE=Trump] As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining… [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Trump] …to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism. [/QUOTE] [https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref\_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/35 "2017-05-16T11:46:22Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I must imagine **Okrahoma** ’s ears (both left and right) are burning, right about now… Not to worry, there’s a pretty good firebreak between the two. Seriously, sharing intel with Russia that you won’t even share with out allies? Meeting with the Ruskies in the Oval Office, photographed ONLY by Tass, and the excuse is “What am I gonna do, say no to Putin?” Seriously? And you’ve all spent the last 8 years masturbating about Benghazi and the last 3 years saying “OMG! Emails!” and THIS doesn’t bother you? Cheeto has a cult of personality that Kim Jong Un would kill for. Even the adoring North Korean crowds cheering for their Dear Leader have nothing on Republicans. If you voted for this imbecile, you got conned. If you still support him, you’re stupid beyond imagination. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/36 "2017-05-16T11:48:47Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I’m not carrying water for Trump, who I think is a stain on the Presidency who has beclowned the United States to the world. But that does not mean I won’t defend him against obvious lies, smears, threats of violence, bogus or silly arguments, etc. > > Look: Trump is a target-rich environment of stupidity, gaffes, and lies. There is plenty of real stuff to worry about. But the hyperventilating over every tweet and the rampant conspiracy stuff has got to stop. It only validates the belief of his supporters that his enemies are unhinged and dishonest. > > As the old saying goes, if you get in the mud to fight a pig, you lose. You just get yourself dirty, and the pig likes it. > > The moral high ground has been ceded by Trump. Don’t cede it back to him because you’re mad or afraid. I disagree, the constant criticism and relentless attacks have kept Trump off balance and on the defensive. He still has hundreds of postitions unstaffed and his agenda is derailed. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/37 "2017-05-16T12:03:34Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > I haven’t had to hand out a participation trophy in several weeks now. Whoever’s forcing you to do it— have they made a list of demands, or is it just a vendetta campaign designed to make you look like an asshole? Either way, I’m wearing my ribbon and praying for your safe return. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/38 "2017-05-16T12:11:30Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You know, all these denials pouring in from various Whitehouse toadies is starting to make me pretty confident of one thing;… > > … > … > > Tomorrow, Donald Trump will do an interview where he admits he told the Russians confidential information. [Don’t have to wait for an interview.](https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029070515) Tweeting this morning- > [@](#): > > As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining… > > …to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/39 "2017-05-16T12:12:59Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I disagree, the constant criticism and relentless attacks have kept Trump off balance and on the defensive. He still has hundreds of postitions unstaffed and his agenda is derailed. He still can’t let go of the whole crowd size thing. Keeping him on the boil is so easy and so productive. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/40 "2017-05-16T12:37:52Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I disagree, the constant criticism and relentless attacks have kept Trump off balance and on the defensive. He still has hundreds of postitions unstaffed and his agenda is derailed. And this is because crackpots on the Internet are ranting? Uh, okay. Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710.md?page=3)