# If you are carrying water for Donald Trump, even now - especially now - kindly go fuck yourself **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710 "2017-05-16T02:20:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/461 "2017-05-25T13:20:35Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > And it gave you a chance to drag the dead horse about Bush being AWOL out and beat on it some more, even though you know the story was bullshit from the word go. Garry Trudeau’s offer of $10,000 to anyone who can prove Dubya served in the Alabama National Guard as required of him, is still unclaimed. If the Bush AWOL story is bullshit, that’s easy money for you! ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/462 "2017-05-25T13:48:51Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Garry Trudeau’s offer of $10,000 to anyone who can prove Dubya served in the Alabama National Guard as required of him, is still unclaimed. If the Bush AWOL story is bullshit, that’s easy money for you! The offer you describe does not exist. > [@](#): > > The hitch is the winner will not actually receive the reward. Instead the Web site says the cash will be donated in the winner’s name to the United Service Organization (USO), which entertains American troops. Moreover, Trudeau is allowing only evidence that establishes the matter “beyond a reasonable doubt.” > [@](#): > > “You can be sure some very motivated people have tried to find a witness who can establish Bush’s presence at Dannelly Base beyond a reasonable doubt,” said the creator of the politically irreverent and satirical daily cartoon. And it seems he’s the one that determines how strict that standard is. So “easy money” is inaccurate. And there is certainly evidence that Bush was not AWOL. As [Factcheck.org](http://www.factcheck.org/2004/02/new-evidence-supports-bush-military-service-mostly/) explains: > [@](#): > > The records show that National Guard officials credited Bush with enough points to meet minimum requirements for the 12-month period ending May 26, 1973, the period of the original alleged “gap” in his records. An Air Force “Reserve Personnel Record Card” shows Bush received a total of 9 points for active duty training, 31 points for inactive duty training, and 15 points awarded for his membership in the reserves. The points total 56, exceeding the 50-point requirement for satisfactory service during the period, though barely. > > Other documents include one-page Air Force Reserve summaries of points earned in the 12-month period ending in May 1973, and the subsequent period running through Bush’s last credited service in July 1973. (See “supporting documents”). > > Also released were copies of microfilm payroll records summarizing the days for which Bush was paid in 1972 and 1973. Though blurry and hard to read, they reflect payments for 82 days of services in 1972 and 1973. > > Also released was a memo the White House requested from Retired Lieutenant Colonel Albert. C. Lloyd Jr., a former personnel director for the Texas Air Guard during the time of Bush’s service. Lloyd said of the payroll and personnel records, “This clearly shows that 1LT George W. Bush has satisfactory years for both 72-73 and 73-74 which proves that he completed his military obligation in a satisfactory manner.” > > Lloyd was later interviewed by the Boston Globe , which questioned whether Bush had met “minimum training” requirements in addition to “minimum retirement” credits. The newspaper said Guardsman are required to serve 15 days of active duty to meet training requirements. The Globe quoted Lloyd as saying of Bush: ” Should he have done more? Yes, he should have. Did he have to? No.” That’s enough evidence to dispose of the AWOL accusation: as a reservist, he wasn’t AWOL if he did the service required of him. Obviously a review that dryly observes, “He did the bare minimum and nothing more,” is not stellar, but neither is it supportive of AWOL. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/463 "2017-05-25T13:49:42Z")
> [@](#): > > Garry Trudeau’s offer of $10,000 to anyone who can prove Dubya served in the Alabama National Guard as required of him, is still unclaimed. If the Bush AWOL story is bullshit, that’s easy money for you! look at that, Clothy, no reason at all not to go for that money. put up or shut up. 😉 > [@](#): > > Trudeau is allowing only evidence that establishes the matter “beyond a reasonable doubt.” well, duh the point is that nobody has been able to do that ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/464 "2017-05-25T13:51:16Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Did my OP say something factually I correct? Apparently you didn’t read it. That’s a shame. > > Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk Well, your OP had nothing factual in it, but then I didn’t say it did or didn’t. I said Chimera has a different sense than me from reading it (if he did), and I’ll add-- some other posters. Not all. Some. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/465 "2017-05-25T14:00:33Z")
I’m with Bricker on this. Most of the time, bets like that are, well, _horseshit_. 99% of the time (the remaining 1% being JREF), it’s fundamentally impossible to fulfill because the person with the money has to be willing to call it true. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/466 "2017-05-25T14:07:46Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I’m with Bricker on this. Most of the time, bets like that are, well, _horseshit_. 99% of the time (the remaining 1% being JREF), it’s fundamentally impossible to fulfill because the person with the money has to be willing to call it true. Yes. The JREF method insulates itself from this problem by relying on the claimant to define his own claim. (“I can see remote objects,” or “I can move things with my mind,”) and then negotiates a test ahead of time that JREF agrees is probative (“If you pass this, then you win”) and the claimant agrees is a fair test of the claimed ability (“If I can’t pass this, then I don’t win.”) ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/467 "2017-05-25T14:49:11Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Obviously a review that dryly observes, “He did the bare minimum and nothing more,” is not stellar, but neither is it supportive of AWOL. _shrug_ fine. Fox News still presented this bare\_minimum weekend warrior as a military leader type man ; while Kerry, who not only served in the active but in wartime and got wounded for his trouble was presented as a wimpy wimp who got a purple heart by stubbing his toe or somesuch. Not that I particularly give a shit - I’m on the record as stating that any and all military volunteers are either insane, idiots or really desperate and the military’s an institution I don’t respect one iota. But Fox pretends they do, so it’s a fair target for my scorn when they shit all over it out of unadulterated partisanship. ---
**Author:** ![Purd\_Werfect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47c2d/32.png) [@Purd\_Werfect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Purd_Werfect)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/468 "2017-05-25T20:49:23Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > True enough. I agree that’s not remotely productive. > > Although I think Hillary’s flaws are more distinct than most of the rest of us. The problem, of course, was her opponent, whose flaws in turn dwarfed Hillary’s. It would make more sense to me if it was indeed “in turn”. Well before the election, and before he was selected as the candidate, it seemed abundantly clear that his flaws dwarfed Hillary’s. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/469 "2017-05-25T21:48:21Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > _shrug_ fine. Fox News still presented this bare\_minimum weekend warrior as a military leader type man ; while Kerry, who not only served in the active but in wartime and got wounded for his trouble was presented as a wimpy wimp who got a purple heart by stubbing his toe or somesuch. As I said about John Kerry in 2004: > [@Swift Boat Vets Site - seems phony](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/75): > > Here’s my general take: with all due respect to the Swift Boat VfT, I think the fact that a man wears the uniform of his country into a combat zone is admirable, period. I further think that when a man is awarded a Bronze Star and a Silver Star, and these awards go unquestioned for years, someone seeking to undermine the validity of those awards bears a heavy burden. I don’t say it’s impossible, but I do think it’s an uphill climb, and the VfT have not, in my view, come close to shouldering that burden. > > Mr. Kerry is a war hero. I don’t much like his approach to the war after his return to this country, but, damnit, a guy who put his ass on the line in Indochina is certainly entitled to voice a contrary opinion after the fact. I also don’t much like Mr. Kerry’s subsequent Senate record, but that has nothing to do with the fact that the man did time in-country, earned ribbons, and deserves praise and honor for that fact. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710.md?page=23)