# If you are carrying water for Donald Trump, even now - especially now - kindly go fuck yourself **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710 "2017-05-16T02:20:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/81 "2017-05-16T15:45:23Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > When will you libtard snowflakes figure out that Trump is playing 3D chess? Maybe he is, but he has the board upside down, and one of the rooks up his nose. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/82 "2017-05-16T15:46:41Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Maybe he is, but he has the board upside down, and one of the rooks up his nose. And the black bishops are in the trash because they might be Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/83 "2017-05-16T15:48:52Z")
_(sniff)_ That’s not water… ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/84 "2017-05-16T15:53:46Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Fuck that shit. A vote for Johnson was a waste, as was a vote for Stein. Your choice was chicken or fish, lasagna was not on the menu. You could vote for Hillary or you could vote against Hillary. Any vote against Hillary was a vote to put this man-baby in the Oval Office. I’ve noticed a difference between the way the political left and right approach this issue - correct me if my observation is off: Many Republicans get upset if someone says they voted Democratic, but won’t care much if someone voted third party or abstained from voting. As long as you didn’t vote for Team Blue, you’re OK. Many Democrats, on the other hand, are upset by people\* not voting Democratic, \*period. To them, if someone votes Republican, that’s bad. If someone votes third party, that’s bad. If someone abstains from voting altogether, that’s bad. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/85 "2017-05-16T16:07:35Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Wow. \ > > What a beautiful example of liberal bullshit spewing. Tons of vituperative rhetoric with not a single fact for support. Lots of vitriol, gotta give you credit for that. Brainpower and intelligence…sadly lacking, though. And big bonus points for the massive ad hominem attacks against Trump supporters. > > All in all, a truly fine representative post that could be used as a template for whiny liberal snowflakes needing to vent their spleen for their daily temper tantrums. You just can’t take those blinders off, can you? Trump openly colludes with Russia, fires those who investigate, and all you see is liberal whining. Remember when _Conservatives_ thought of Russia as the US’s biggest enemy, Comrade Hump? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/86 "2017-05-16T16:10:49Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I’ve noticed a difference between the way the political left and right approach this issue - correct me if my observation is off: > Many Republicans get upset if someone says they voted Democratic, but won’t care much if someone voted third party or abstained from voting. As long as you didn’t vote for Team Blue, you’re OK. > > Many Democrats, on the other hand, are upset by people\* not voting Democratic, \*period. To them, if someone votes Republican, that’s bad. If someone votes third party, that’s bad. If someone abstains from voting altogether, that’s bad. Why should Republicans care who people vote for? They win elections by other means. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/87 "2017-05-16T16:26:45Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I’m not carrying water for Trump, who I think is a stain on the Presidency who has beclowned the United States to the world. But that does not mean I won’t defend him against obvious lies, smears, threats of violence, bogus or silly arguments, etc. > > Look: Trump is a target-rich environment of stupidity, gaffes, and lies. There is plenty of real stuff to worry about. But the hyperventilating over every tweet and the rampant conspiracy stuff has got to stop. It only validates the belief of his supporters that his enemies are unhinged and dishonest. > > As the old saying goes, if you get in the mud to fight a pig, you lose. You just get yourself dirty, and the pig likes it. > > The moral high ground has been ceded by Trump. Don’t cede it back to him because you’re mad or afraid. Obvious concern troll is obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/88 "2017-05-16T16:29:48Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > False equivalence. > > While the wingnuts loved to say Dems considered Obama the second coming, in the real world there was lots of bitching and moaning from the left about how the man was just too darn conservative. Bill Clinton caught the same shit. > > The Democratic Party is renowned for the infighting and disarray. This is really not a “both sides do it” moment. True. When it comes to sycophantic adoration, and “Dear Leader can do no wrong”, the Republicans are like: “We do it, but it’s the same because we think you do it too.” ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/89 "2017-05-16T16:30:16Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I’m not carrying water for Trump, who I think is a stain on the Presidency who has beclowned the United States to the world. But that does not mean I won’t defend him against obvious lies, smears, threats of violence, bogus or silly arguments, etc. > > Look: Trump is a target-rich environment of stupidity, gaffes, and lies. There is plenty of real stuff to worry about. But the hyperventilating over every tweet and the rampant conspiracy stuff has got to stop. It only validates the belief of his supporters that his enemies are unhinged and dishonest. > > As the old saying goes, if you get in the mud to fight a pig, you lose. You just get yourself dirty, and the pig likes it. > > The moral high ground has been ceded by Trump. Don’t cede it back to him because you’re mad or afraid. Spraying the pig with a fire hose didn’t clean him off, it put him in the White House. Shall we continue doing the same thing until nuclear winter? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/90 "2017-05-16T16:32:16Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Many Democrats, on the other hand, are upset by people\* not voting Democratic, \*period. To them, if someone votes Republican, that’s bad. If someone votes third party, that’s bad. If someone abstains from voting altogether, that’s bad. Democrats are more upset about people not voting, because that’s why Hillary lost. She didn’t motivate the base the way Obama did. Republicans tend to vote more reliably, while Democratic turnout varies more. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/91 "2017-05-16T16:36:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > On a message board devoted to fighting ignorance, I am comfortable “carrying water” for the actual facts, whoever they may benefit. > > Call Trump an clueless boob, and I won’t dispute you. > > Call him an arsonist and I will, even though he’s the worst President in my memory. Because when you care about facts, then there arises an obligation to defend Trump against the accusation that he’s an arsonist. > > Not because I wish to defend Trump, but because I have an interest in fighting ignorance. Well this latest debacle is right in your wheelhouse then. You can answer the question that nobody at all is asking: Q. Did Trump commit an illegal act? A. No, what he did was not illegal because (you fill this part in) This seems to be the go-to talking point this morning. Of course, nobody I can see actually ever thought that this was an illegal act, but that does not stop them from working this angle. This way, you can maintain your obligation to defend Trump from the false accusations of illegality (which nobody has made), while ignoring the bigger picture of what Trump actually did, and what this means for national security and cooperation between allies. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/92 "2017-05-16T16:41:16Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Easy, Tiger - if you’re not careful the conservatives might call you shrill. No, he’s just a hate-filled prick. One of the nice things about the pit is that it tends to rip the mask away from obnoxious people and expose them for who they are. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/93 "2017-05-16T16:46:03Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Those clowns in congress beclowned again. What a bunch of beclowners. (BTW, I’m stealing beclown) For the uninitiated, [**beclowning**](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/beclown) can be detected by the practice of [**quantum bogodynamics**](http://www.hacker-dictionary.com/terms/quantum-bogodynamics). ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/94 "2017-05-16T16:53:59Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Democrats are more upset about people not voting, because that’s why Hillary lost. She didn’t motivate the base the way Obama did. > > Republicans tend to vote more reliably, while Democratic turnout varies more. > > Regards, > Shodan Fear is a great motivator. Here’s the thing though, and this isn’t really just addressed to you, but what I don’t understand is how the republicans and trump plan to control the electorate. They tapped into a certain anxiety/fear/anger/rage that is an undercurrent in a large swath of society. And that anxiety is based on a failing american dream. People are worried about the future. They are worried that their current job isn’t paying making ends meet. They are worried that they may lose their job. They worry about their health, and the health of their family, and have concerns that if they have a major medical problem, they won’t be able to afford to take care of it. They are worried about the future of their children, and the lack of opportunities they see for them. Most of them are not worried about gay wedding cakes or bathrooms one way or another, few of them actually care about muslims or immigration (except the few who have been convinced that their wages are depressed due to immigration), they care about jobs and economic security for themselves and their family. I can understand forgiving trump’s foibles if you actually believed him when he said he was going to bring back jobs. I can understand giving him a chance to make a better huger healthcare plan that would cost less and give more coverage to everyone. What the republicans are not understanding is that this anger didn’t just go away when they channeled it against the liberals to get themselves elected. This anger is still there, still simmering, and it will, until the problems that are causing the anxiety and anger are actually addressed. People who voted for trump because of his promises on healthcare, do you really think that they will continue to support the republicans if they manage to cram through their bill? Do you really think that the people who are waiting for their job to come back will not punish the republicans electorally when those jobs fail to materialize? You point it out yourself, the republicans have managed to take control over pretty much the entire federal govt and most of the state houses. The ball is in your court. What your party does now, with pretty much no obstruction from the democrats is showing your true colors. You have not had this level of power in living memory, so there is quite a bit of the electorate that believes that you will use it for the good of the country, rather than for self promotion and enrichment. The liberals have not managed to disabuse republican supporters of this notion, but what the republicans are doing now just might do it. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/95 "2017-05-16T16:59:40Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > No, he’s just a hate-filled prick. One of the nice things about the pit is that it tends to rip the mask away from obnoxious people and expose them for who they are. Why, Sam - you sound so _angry!_ I do believe that you are starting to hyperventilate a little. Be careful, you are standing right down in that mudpit! ---
**Author:** ![Beren\_Erchamion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/90ced4/32.png) [@Beren\_Erchamion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beren_Erchamion)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/96 "2017-05-16T16:59:44Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I’ve noticed a difference between the way the political left and right approach this issue - correct me if my observation is off: > Many Republicans get upset if someone says they voted Democratic, but won’t care much if someone voted third party or abstained from voting. As long as you didn’t vote for Team Blue, you’re OK. > > Many Democrats, on the other hand, are upset by people\* not voting Democratic, \*period. To them, if someone votes Republican, that’s bad. If someone votes third party, that’s bad. If someone abstains from voting altogether, that’s bad. Many rapists get upset if someone interferes with their raping, but won’t care much if someone else doesn’t go out raping. As long as you didn’t interfere in their own rape, you’re OK. Many anti-rape advocates, on the other hand, are upset by people _not stopping rape,_ period. To them, if someone commits rape, that’s bad. If someone doesn’t commit rape but doesn’t give a shit about stopping those who do, that’s bad. No, Republicans aren’t rapists (well, not all of them, and many Democrats are too). Point is, “X is fine with you as long as you do Y, but for Y it’s not enough that you don’t do X–you have to actually do Y” is not necessarily an argument for the superiority of X. Because sometimes, X is so awful and Y is so morally obligatory that Y has every right to demand that you join Y against X. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/97 "2017-05-16T17:01:18Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Maybe he is, but he has the board upside down, and one of the rooks up his nose. …no! You’re…you’re wrong! That’s just how you play _5D_ Chess! And Trump is a master player of 7D Chess!! Just wait untill you see where the other rook goes! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/98 "2017-05-16T17:01:51Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Not that you can read this, **Clothahump** , since you have me on ignore (I feel so special!), but you are one stupid motherfucker, and I’m anxiously awaiting those not on ignore trying to ram the square of information into the circle of ignorance that you laughingly call a brain. > > _Large popcorn and Coke, please_ [Moderating] Calling other posters “motherfuckers” is against board rules, even if they have you on ignore. Please avoid doing this in the future. [/Moderating] > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > **Superdude** , I’m going to do you a favor and quote you so Clothy will be able to read your post. You’re welcome. 😉 [Moderating] Quoting someone calling a poster a motherfucker so the target can see is also pretty iffy. Don’t do this, either. No warnings issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/99 "2017-05-16T18:00:48Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > And don’t come telling me that it’s _my_ responsibility to reach out to these traitors and to make sure that I’m not alienating them, because “hey - these are your fellow Americans”. Clearly, _some_ of them are not. > > The Better Angels of our Nature have a lot to answer for. > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Literally the only reassuring part of this whole story is that Trump is so catastrophically incompetent. If he were even _slightly_ better at keeping his stupid mouth shut, this story might be relegated to the list of left-wing conspiracy theories. > > Then I remember that the republicans in congress are still supporting him despite that, and I realize just how fucked we are. At this point, I don’t think voting for any republican at any level of government can be morally justified. The party is evil, corrupt, and utterly unwilling to even _pretend_ that they care about accountability for anyone working on their “side”. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > Not to worry, there’s a pretty good firebreak between the two. > > Seriously, sharing intel with Russia that you won’t even share with out allies? Meeting with the Ruskies in the Oval Office, photographed ONLY by Tass, and the excuse is “What am I gonna do, say no to Putin?” Seriously? And you’ve all spent the last 8 years masturbating about Benghazi and the last 3 years saying “OMG! Emails!” and THIS doesn’t bother you? Cheeto has a cult of personality that Kim Jong Un would kill for. Even the adoring North Korean crowds cheering for their Dear Leader have nothing on Republicans. If you voted for this imbecile, you got conned. If you still support him, you’re stupid beyond imagination. You all need to stop being so hysterical. It doesn’t help with the blood pressure. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > Have any of the board’s conservative/republican posters admitted they’re disgusted with the current state of affairs of their party and renounced them? > > Or have they all carved out narrower justifications as to why they can keep being part of the Republican tribe while declaring themselves absolved from the insanity of their political team? I’m conservative and still can’t believe we live in the one universe that all other universes used as a political hypothetical. > [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Oh nice, the Libertarian cunts think they are somehow immune from being pieces of shit. The two most disliked candidates square off, the Libertarians nominate the most mainstream ticket imaginable and get considerably more media attention than they ever did before… And still can’t get the votes needed for matching funding. > > Go find a free market and fuck yourself with it. That’s not kind or helpful and you come across as an unhinged potty mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710/100 "2017-05-16T18:08:05Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You all need to stop being so hysterical. It doesn’t help with the blood pressure. > > I’m conservative and still can’t believe we live in the one universe that all other universes used as a political hypothetical. > > That’s not kind or helpful and you come across as an unhinged potty mouth. If you are going to concern troll, put a _little_ effort into it, 'kay? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-carrying-water-for-donald-trump-even-now-especially-now-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/786710.md?page=6)