# If you are overweight, are you more likely to vote for Republicans? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 10, 2012, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823 "2012-07-10T19:19:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/1 "2012-07-10T19:19:06Z")
I’ve read a few reports here and there about how “red states” (the states that vote for republican presidential candidates) tend to be the fattest states (have the highest obesity rates), and that the blue states tend to have the lowest. There are some exceptions, of course. So, I have a few questions. For the statistics gurus: how high is the correlation between a state’s obesity rate and the percentage of the vote that goes for republican presidential candidates? Or other republican state-wide offices? If there is a high correlation between obesity and republican-voting-likelihood, why do you think that might be? Is it just coincidence, or is there some link between behavior that leads to being overweight and that which leads someone to want to vote for a republican candidate. I honestly don’t think it’s because republicans support policies that make people more likely to be obese, but perhaps there is some underlying psychology to explain why the two may be correlated. Not real research of course, but [here](http://god-hates-red-states.blogspot.com/2009/07/fact-republicans-cause-obesity.html) is a link to get the discussion started. It’s a bit offensive, and I only provide it as a jumping off point. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/2 "2012-07-10T19:34:55Z")
Obesity correlates with poverty, which (I believe) correlates with voting Democratic. The red state/blue state thing is really more of an [urban vs suburban/rural thing.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gastner_map_purple_byarea_bycounty.png) ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/3 "2012-07-10T19:38:42Z")
Google revealed that religious people have better self-disclipline and control, which would lead me to think they should be thinner. Of course, the article was on a christian ‘news’ website, so take it for what it’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/4 "2012-07-10T19:56:26Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Obesity correlates with poverty, which (I believe) correlates with voting Democratic. It’s apparently more complicated than that: [Obesity & Health - Food Research & Action Center](http://frac.org/initiatives/hunger-and-obesity/are-low-income-people-at-greater-risk-for-overweight-or-obesity/) I do think it’s more of an urban/rural thing. I believe, in general, that rural populations have higher obesity rates. And I know that they are more conservative politically. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/5 "2012-07-10T20:24:22Z")
The situation is complicated. The best one line summary out there is probably that rich people in poor states behave differently from rich people in rich states, at least partially due to the nature of the economies in those states. If you want the detailed answer, pick up a copy of Andrew Gelman’s [Red State, Blue State, Rich State, Poor State: Why Americans Vote the Way They Do](http://www.amazon.com/Red-State-Blue-Rich-Poor/dp/0691143935/). Be aware that it’s a bit dry, and it does contain some technical detail that you can safely skip over. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/6 "2012-07-10T22:17:35Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > Google revealed that religious people have better self-disclipline and control, which would lead me to think they should be thinner. Been to a lot of churches. I assure you this is not the case. The thinner part, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![greenslime1951](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@greenslime1951](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/greenslime1951)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/7 "2012-07-10T22:22:32Z")
Hey, let’s use some internet logic to answer this compelling question! 1. People like food. 2. Fat people _really_ like food. 3. Food stamps help fat people stay fat. 4. Republicans don’t like food stamps. 5. Therefore, since fat people like food, they don’t like Republicans. 6. Therefore, fat people will vote Democrat. Q.E.D. No further discussion needed. You’re welcome. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/8 "2012-07-10T22:24:53Z")
_tries to find feet_ apparently not. However, I wonder what role minority populations play in this. Non-whites tend to have higher obesity rates than whites, and states where racial tension is heaviest (esp the south) tend to see their states go republican because the whites vote GOP and the non-whites vote democratic. So states where there are more non-whites could be more republican, and also have higher obesity rates. [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5827a2.htm](http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5827a2.htm) The white obesity rate in the south isn’t much higher than anywhere else (5 points max, if that). But the black obesity rate is 10-20 points higher. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/9 "2012-07-10T23:04:26Z")
Looking at the obesity rates by race and state the rates are about 4% higher for whites in the top 10 states (about 27% vs 23% national average). However about half of those top 10 states are also in the top 10 for % of black populations (with Arkansas being 12). Indiana, Ohio & Pennsylvania have a higher white obesity rate than Louisiana (and only a point or two behind places like Alabama or Mississippi), but fewer non-whites. Indiana is 81.5% white, Mississippi is 58% white. White obesity rates are 26.1% and 27.6% respectively. But the black obesity rate in MS (like I mentioned earlier) is 40%. It is about 36% for blacks and 27% for latinos in Indiana. > **[Non-Hispanic whites](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Hispanic_Whites#Population_by_state_or_territory)** > > Non-Hispanic Whites, Non-Latino Whites, or more simply Whites, are Americans classified by the United States census as "white" and are not of Hispanic ethnicity. According to the United States Census Bureau yearly estimates, as of July 1, 2022, Non-Hispanic whites make up about 59.3% of America's population, or 197,639,521 people. The United States Census Bureau defines white to include European Americans, Middle Eastern Americans, and North African Americans. Americans of European an The Non-His... > **[Obesity in the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States#Prevalence_by_state)** > > Obesity is common in the United States and is a major health issue associated with numerous diseases, specifically an increased risk of certain types of cancer, coronary artery disease, type 2 diabetes, stroke, and cardiovascular disease, as well as significant increases in early mortality and economic costs. > The CDC defines an adult (a person aged 20 years or greater) with a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or greater as obese and an adult with a BMI of 25.0 to 29.9 as overweight. Obesity in adult... So I don’t think there is a correlation really between GOP and obesity. If anything there is probably a reverse correlation if states with more non-whites tend to be states where the whites lean GOP. Mississippi has a higher white obesity rate (about 27%), but that state is 40% black and blacks in Mississippi have a 40% obesity rates. The whites vote GOP, the blacks vote democratic, esp in the south. Virtually snow white states like Maine have low obesity rates, but so do mostly white states like Idaho or North Dakota. But West Virginia is pretty white and their obesity rates are 7% higher than average for whites. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/10 "2012-07-10T23:22:07Z")
Thank you Wesley for crunching all those numbers! Very informative. I was wondering if the black obesity rates were higher in the south. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/11 "2012-07-14T10:38:00Z")
In first world nations fat does not discriminate. It covers the entire political landscape. ---
**Author:** ![Darryl\_Lict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7cd45c/32.png) [@Darryl\_Lict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darryl_Lict)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/12 "2012-07-14T11:51:26Z")
Here’s two maps of county by county [party affiliation](http://geochristian.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/counties2008.png) and [obesity rates](http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/11/24/business/economy/obesity.jpg). Make of it what you will. Lots of fat people in the south and not many in Colorado regardless of urban or rural location. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/13 "2012-07-14T13:26:28Z")
People on food stamps tend to be fat. People on welfare tend to be fat. Both groups are members of the dependency class. By definition, members of the dependency class want more freebies from the government, so they tend to vote for Democrats, if they vote at all. ---
**Author:** ![ryanl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b487fb/32.png) [@ryanl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ryanl)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/14 "2012-07-14T13:59:10Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > People on food stamps tend to be fat. People on welfare tend to be fat. Both groups are members of the dependency class. By definition, members of the dependency class want more freebies from the government, so they tend to vote for Democrats, if they vote at all. People who practice yoga, drive priuses, and shop at Whole Foods Market tend to not be fat. People who define themselves as socially progressive tend to practice yoga, drive priuses, and shop at Whole Foods Market. Both groups are members of a class that want to redistribute wealth. By definition, members of this class want more income equality, so they tend to vote for Democrats, if they vote at all. Of course, my example, as well as your’s, requires that assumptions are in fact true. More importantly, for the purpose of the OP, is the question of what percentage the above classes make up the total of all voting democrats. If welfare recipients tend to vote Democratic and are also fat, it would only answer the OP if they also made up the majority of Democratic voters, which is not true. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/15 "2012-07-14T14:03:26Z")
The OP’s hypothesis is an example of the [ecological fallacy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_fallacy). For all we know, the presence of so many fat people causes non-fat people to vote Republican, turning the state red. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/16 "2012-07-14T16:17:17Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > People on food stamps tend to be fat. People on welfare tend to be fat. Both groups are members of the dependency class. By definition, members of the dependency class want more freebies from the government, so they tend to vote for Democrats, if they vote at all. Ooh! Ooh! The tortured logic game is my favorite! People with sedentary jobs tend to be fat. People with sedentary jobs tend to have higher earnings. People with higher earnings tend to vote Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/17 "2012-07-14T17:02:06Z")
Republicans eat babies. Babies have a high ratio of fat to lean meat. Therefore, Republicans tend to be fatter. The logic is _irrefutable!_ Well, not really. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/18 "2012-07-15T04:35:10Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > Google revealed that religious people have better self-disclipline and control, which would lead me to think they should be thinner. > > Of course, the article was on a christian ‘news’ website, so take it for what it’s worth. I love the title: [http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/24/frequent-church-goers-frequently-fatter/](http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/24/frequent-church-goers-frequently-fatter/) ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2012, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-are-overweight-are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-republicans/627823/19 "2012-07-15T04:56:15Z")
I doubt any correlation between the ambiguous concept of being overweight (over what weight?) and voting for one party or another is anything but coincidence.