# ...If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 9, 2003, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918 "2003-12-09T14:22:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/21 "2003-12-10T05:34:09Z")
> [@](#): > > Part Deux of this thread - \> Anyone know other obscure additons to old rock songs? I’m trying to think of obscurity and I routinely come back to pink floyd…What are some others? Worth its own thread, but I’ve not the time. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/22 "2003-12-10T05:35:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lucki Chaarms \* > \*\*Are you feeling OK? > > I only recently saw the movie, and I was surprised how different it was from the album. I can see changing the order up and throwing some other stuff in between, but why use such an inferior vocal track? > > LC \*\* On a similar thread, what’s the deal with the differences with the beginning of “Another Brick in the Wall, part. 2”. The Album version starts with a sound much like a Helicopter right before the schoolmaster yells his little line, but the movie uses the sound of the train. In the movie, it makes sense, but I have no clue what the bit about the helicopter in the Album is supposed to be(and no helicopters were shown in the movie). ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/23 "2003-12-10T05:52:14Z")
I thought there was a scene where he was looking out the window and a helicopter flew by, with one of those bright spotlights they have under the nose? ---
**Author:** ![Murcielago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Murcielago](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Murcielago)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/24 "2003-12-10T06:05:30Z")
No doubt fans are aware of this, but if you want to rent/buy the movie be sure to get the “Deluxe” DVD. There are some retrospective and documentary bits, the best feature is the film commentary by Roger Waters and Gerald Scarfe (in charge of animation and visual design). Both had issues with director Alan Parker, neither are shy about expressing them. Waters is particularly sarcastic (as is his nature). The back cover of the Floyd’s _Final Cut_ album depicts a soldier holding a film can with a bloody knife stuck between his shoulder blades, this was Waters’ sentiment about _The Wall_ film project. ---
**Author:** ![si\_blakely](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@si\_blakely](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/si_blakely)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/25 "2003-12-10T13:27:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lucki Chaarms \* > \*\*Are you feeling OK? > > I only recently saw the movie, and I was surprised how different it was from the album. I can see changing the order up and throwing some other stuff in between, but why use such an inferior vocal track? > > LC \*\* The movie soundtrack vocals were recorded by Bob Geldof (Pink), and many of the arrangements in the movie are different from the album Simon ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/26 "2003-12-10T17:46:46Z")
**Phlosphr** , check out [this site](http://home.mchsi.com/~ttint/). Remember, from the movie, the scene at the dinner table when the schoolmaster’s wife forces him to eat the piece of gristle (or whatever it was) that he had taken out of his mouth? > [@](#): > > the teacher is not allowed to continue with his meal without first eating the parts of the meat that he doesn’t wish to eat; and so he bellows at the end of “Brick, Part 2” that “\*f you don’t eat your meat, you can’t have any pudding.” Because he can’t have his metaphorical dessert without first enduring the hardships of life, then he will make sure that the same applies to the next generation. ---
**Author:** ![Lucki\_Chaarms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lucki\_Chaarms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucki_Chaarms)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/27 "2003-12-10T21:17:01Z")
I think some of you are thinking a little too literally. I’ve always seen the album as the story of a drug experience in which the protagonist is looking over his entire life trying to find what brought him to this point, suffers something akin to a psychotic break, and has to put his head back together. Things happen for no apparent reason sometimes, and having a cruel superindendent from somewhere in his memory fly overhead with a helicopter to yell at him isn’t all that out there, if he’s freaking out and thinking of his childhood. It’s the best piece of altered-state listening ever, it’s SO intense. I love the way it begins, too, warning what a rough ride is coming for a listener whose head may not be on quite right… “So you thought you might like to go to the show / To feel the warm confusion, the space-cadet glow / Tell me, is something eluding you, sunshine? / Is this not what you expected to see?” I see _The Thin Ice_ is the last turn-back-now warning before things get REALLY heavy. Oh man, now I have to listen to it. See what you guys did? LC ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/28 "2003-12-10T23:22:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eutychus \* > \*\*\< Nitpick \>And what’s the deal with “We don’t need no education?” It’s obvious they DO need an education or they wouldn’t have used the double negative. \*\* We don’t need no education = We don’t don’t need education = We need education. Yeah, they’re asking for more education. ---
**Author:** ![Lucki\_Chaarms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lucki\_Chaarms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucki_Chaarms)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/29 "2003-12-10T23:54:39Z")
Another Brick In The Wall, Part II is not an anti-education song, it’s an anti sadistic teacher/soulless British public education song. It has context, you kinda have to hear The Happiest Days of Our Lives, which leads in to it. ---
**Author:** ![Roadwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@Roadwalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roadwalker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/30 "2003-12-11T01:05:36Z")
My question: What is with the scene in the film following “empty Spaces?” There are looters being arrested while old ladies make off with stuff. What does this have to do with the rest of the movie? ---
**Author:** ![SeekingTruth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@SeekingTruth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeekingTruth)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/31 "2003-12-11T03:22:54Z")
Casey1505 had a good link there to the songs/visuals, that scene gives way to the line about going home to “fat and psycopathic wives, who would thrash them, within inches of their lives.” Referring to the schoolmasters that took out their frustrations on the kids as a way to reaffirm their own importance/power in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Frank\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Frank\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank_2)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/32 "2003-12-11T14:19:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Roadwalker \* > \*\*My question: > What is with the scene in the film following “empty Spaces?” > > There are looters being arrested while old ladies make off with stuff. > What does this have to do with the rest of the movie? \*\* The movie at various points touches on the ideas of power, struggle, greed, ambition, and war. The scene could be an allusion to show that in a conflict/war/rebillion the ones doing the fighting never benefit but the passerbys do. In a war, the soldiers die and the civilians get their freedom. In the looting, the criminals get caught while the old ladies get the goods. I’m not quite sure how this ties in to Pink and his wall, though. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/33 "2003-12-11T19:31:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Phlosphr \* > \*\*Anyone know other obscure additons to old rock songs? I’m trying to think of obscurity and I routinely come back to pink floyd…What are some others? \*\* How about something in a new song? One track on the Moody Blues [December](http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2906229) CD (not sure which track, could be _The Spirit of Christmas_) uses the line [days of future passed](http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=1041816) as part of a verse. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/34 "2003-12-11T19:57:50Z")
I always thought The Wall was sort of a combination of Roger Waters’ childhood and Syd Barrett’s breakdown - didn’t Waters lose his father in WWII? Funny thing is, I don’t remember the old ladies making off with stuff at the end of the movie at all - I just thought the teenagers got arrested because they were, well, teenagers. Given how the authority figures in school treated kids, it seemed part of the same to me. One smidge of trivia - on the album, the groupie’s voice is Toni Tennille, from Captain and Tennille - “Wanna take a bath?”. Perhaps someone can correct me on this, but I think the last DSOTM line is “There is no dark side of the moon, really. Matter of fact it’s all dark”. ---
**Author:** ![Frank\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Frank\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank_2)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/35 "2003-12-11T20:03:38Z")
**fessie** , yes, The Wall was a combination of Roger’s & Syd’s pasts and yes, Roger Waters’ father was killed in WWII. The old ladies scene was in between _Empty Spaces_ & _Young Lust_. ---
**Author:** ![Jerrybear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8c91f0/32.png) [@Jerrybear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jerrybear)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918/36 "2003-12-11T21:00:10Z")
The last Pink Floyd album with Roger Waters, The Final Cut, is dedicated to Eric Fletcher Waters (Roger’s dad) and goes more deeply into the details of him dying in World War II and how this led Roger to be anti-war. I actually found an address for Roger on the web and sent him a letter with a couple of pictures to sign. He signed both of the pics I sent him and included an extra one! Thank you, Roger! I may be remembering incorrectly (it has been a while since I have seen the movie) but I think in the looting scene there is a billboard with Mike Schmidt of the Phillies on it. Or, maybe this was in some other movie or music video. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-dont-eat-yer-meat-you-cant-have-any-pudding/217918.md?page=1)