# If you knew then, what you know now- would you vote for Hillary in 2016? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 2, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419 "2024-06-02T19:42:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/21 "2024-06-02T20:53:42Z")
Voted for her then, would do the same again. I periodically muse what a wonderful president she would’ve been, and how much better off America would’ve been with her instead of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/22 "2024-06-02T20:58:57Z")
Same. (And my policy preferences lean more towards Bernie. Doesn’t matter. I like pretty pink ponies, too.) ---
**Author:** ![TheZenPaperboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a9a28c/32.png) [@TheZenPaperboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheZenPaperboy)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/23 "2024-06-02T21:02:28Z")
I didn’t but it did not matter. She carried the state anyway. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/24 "2024-06-02T21:15:06Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > But I was wrong in many respects about Trump: I thought he was just pandering to his base and wouldn’t be so crazy as President. I suppose no one else here was so naive. I didn’t think he was going to be as bad as he was. I figured he’d want to be a success and seek broad popularity, probably with stupid programs and policies, but just not as bad as he was. By election day I had no doubt Hillary was the lesser of two evils, but really more like the lesser of two dishonest and incompetent candidates. Trump turned out to be truly evil. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/25 "2024-06-02T22:01:58Z")
Hillary was the first Democratic presidential candidate I ever voted for (N.B.: nothing could make me vote for a Republican for any office now). Trump was just as horrible as I thought he’d be. I didn’t predict the details, but he was (and is) a hateful, racist, misogynistic, idiot, completely incompetent to govern. So, yes, I’d vote for her again. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/26 "2024-06-02T22:46:37Z")
I’m in a very blue state so my vote for Hillary was irrelevant. I cast it anyway because I saw clearly that Trump was a monster and his election would tip the US into irreversible decline, so I wanted the margin of victory to be inflated as much as possible. Nevertheless, I cast the vote with some hesitancy. Not because of any doubts about her intelligence or competence, but because I have a deep allergy for bloodline-slash-family legacies in what are supposed to be democracies. I think there is a strong and unhealthy susceptibility in people, in the aggregate, to desire and support aristocratic inheritance of power. Just listen to the chatter about recruiting various relatives into politics, from Don Jr to Michelle Obama or even the Obama daughters, all of which strikes me as thoroughly insane and totally poisonous to democracy. I think that tendency should be resisted and avoided whenever and wherever possible, so just on principle I didn’t like voting for another Clinton. Nevertheless, I respected her capabilities and her accomplishments, which diluted my reluctance. If Bill had never been president, I would have been much, much happier voting for her as an entirely independent political figure. But alas, she got the nomination, so I sighed heavily and ticked the box for her. And under the same circumstances, I would again. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/27 "2024-06-02T22:52:59Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Nevertheless, I cast the vote with some hesitancy. Not because of any doubts about her intelligence or competence, but because I have a deep allergy for bloodline-slash-family legacies in what are supposed to be democracies. I think there is a strong and unhealthy susceptibility in people, in the aggregate, to desire and support aristocratic inheritance of power. I really agree with this. Leading up to 2016, I though my worst nightmare was going to happen of Hillary vs Jeb! but instead of course I got an unimaginably worse nightmare of Trump and never saw that as a real thing. In 2015 I said Trump wasn’t even a real candidate and just trying to sell another book and some more steaks. Oh boy was I incredibly wrong. I underestimated the stupidity of the American Public. But I really don’t want to see legacies running for President. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/28 "2024-06-02T23:06:04Z")
I voted for her enthusiastically and would do so again. I happen to think she was likely the most qualified person in my lifetime (well, I guess FDR did run in my lifetime) to run for president and expected great things from her. Insofar as it is possible to get great things given congress and SCOTUS. But maybe she could have turned SCOTUS around. As for Trump, he was just as bad as I expected but he is aiming to be much much worse this time around. Paul Krugman wonders in today’s Times whether, if Trump wins, there will even be an election in 2028. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/29 "2024-06-02T23:43:30Z")
In 2016, I wanted Biden but he chose not to run so Clinton was an adequate second choice. Nothing’s changed that opinion or how I would have voted. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/30 "2024-06-02T23:50:32Z")
With no hesitation whatsoever I would vote for her again. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/31 "2024-06-03T00:03:53Z")
Voted for her, and knowing what I know now, would crawl over broken glass to vote for her again. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/32 "2024-06-03T00:30:41Z")
I should have added that I live in a swing state, Pennsylvania. With a candidate like Trump on the ballot, it’s no time for a protest vote or any other nonsense. Again, I voted for her and would have knowing what I know now, only with additional terror over the prospect of a Trump win. ---
**Author:** ![phs3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8491ac/32.png) [@phs3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phs3)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/33 "2024-06-03T00:43:26Z")
Voted for her then, would do so again. I did notice that the negativity about her had started to reduce my respect for her, which is a bit scary, since it was 99.44% BS. ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/34 "2024-06-03T02:43:24Z")
Voted for her then (not that my Wyoming vote matters), would vote for her again. Like then, would still prefer a younger, more progressive candidate (get out your pitchforks!). ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/35 "2024-06-03T03:15:27Z")
I voted for her then, and I of course would vote for her now. What put the orange turd back in office? Not for love or money. I’m from MI. l hope we don’'t embarrass ourselves here in the mitten, and support Joe Biden. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/36 "2024-06-03T04:31:03Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I voted for her then, I would do so again. But I would prefer a younger candidate. But this is back in 2016, mind you. > [@What\_Exit](#): > > I knew he was a complete conman and asshole, but to be honest, I did not think he was going to be as bad as he was. Yeah, neither did I. > [@TheZenPaperboy](#): > > I didn’t but it did not matter. She carried the state anyway. What would you do if you could go back to 2016 and try again? So far only one person would have not voted for her. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/37 "2024-06-03T04:38:40Z")
Hari\_Seldon, you’re eighty years old! No one I know lives that long - astounding! I voted for Hilary in 2016 and would do so again. It’s too bad it took that long for decades for her to get there. Though she cuts corners, I’ve always like how she confronts people and her exuberant sense of humor. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/38 "2024-06-03T05:22:24Z")
> [@Eric1](#): > > Hari\_Seldon, you’re eighty years old! No one I know lives that long - astounding! My boss, the president and chief operating officer of a biotechnology firm, is 79 yrs old and sharp as a tack. He’s in better shape than I am. And he voted for Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/39 "2024-06-03T05:32:27Z")
Eighty isn’t as old as it used to be, young’un. 🧐 ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419/40 "2024-06-03T05:33:50Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Eighty isn’t as old as it used to be, young’un. 🧐  Exactly! (I wish I were a young’un…) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-knew-then-what-you-know-now-would-you-vote-for-hillary-in-2016/1002419.md?page=3)