# If you oppose the President, you're aiding terror! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 30, 2003, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103 "2003-11-30T20:08:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/21 "2003-12-01T00:53:50Z")
There are many, many people who think exactly like good ole Debbie here in the US. She’s extreme, but we’ve got posters here who are a mere two or three steps behind her. The Democrats are running scared. Not only that, if your a politician with any sense, would you _really_ want to take over that stinking pile of crap created by Bush? Uh oh. I insulted Bush. Did God kill a kitten? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/22 "2003-12-01T01:06:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by London\_Calling \* > \*\*I agree **Man of Nipples** , and I don’t think people appeciate yet that they really could win. > > What I don’t understand is why folks (seem to) think it will be a very different world under a democrat President. Is there a shiny, happy alternative plan that I haven’t yet chanced across or are the Democrats still broadly supporting the neocon Iraq policy ? \*\* If the people lead, the leaders will follow. Not looking to swiftly reverse the direction we have been on. Looking to halt our descent into madness. Then, step by step, find our way home again. If it were easy, we would already have done it. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/23 "2003-12-01T01:20:18Z")
I find this passage interesting (and amusing): > [@](#): > > The truth is that the liberals are playing right into the hands of our enemy by turning on our own president and calling him names in front of the whole world. > > France loves it. Germany relishes in it. Democrats wallow in it. And the terrorists are depending on it. Notice how she immediately mentions France and Germany right after she refers to “our enemy.” And to think all this time I incorrectly thought our main foes were Al-Quaeda and the ragged (but still dangerous) remnants of Saddam Hussein’s former regime. This woman is an Ann Coulter clone. She’s not worth getting upset about. ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/24 "2003-12-01T01:44:22Z")
So, If the Democrats don’t differ substantially in approach to the current administration (in relation to Iraq), is ‘Bush’ a euphemism for the entire Republican and Democrat politcal establsihment in the US? The president is representing the policy of both parties, right ? ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/25 "2003-12-01T01:59:45Z")
**LC** : Iraq’s a done deal. It’s the rest of the world I worry about. This morning, for instance, Pat Buchanan and a couple of others were pointing out, and agreeing with, the proposition that some Florida Cubans had put forth: why don’t we start building democracy in Cuba? You know, a little regime change, occupation, etc. I know, probably won’t happen, since all they have is sugar & cigars. Still, one worries. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Gui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@El\_Gui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Gui)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/26 "2003-12-01T02:14:50Z")
Damn. I’d hate to see what [tooawfulreports.com](http://tooawfulreports.com) is like. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/27 "2003-12-01T02:15:26Z")
Not quite **London\_Calling** , in another thread I noticed that the main difference will be that partisan policy hacks like the OSP: [http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special\_Reports/072103Leopold/072103leopold.html](http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/072103Leopold/072103leopold.html) Will be less likely to be a factor, a congress in Republican hands will make sure a Democratic president will be taken to task for any future decisions. (Frankly all the lack of balance we have right now is bad, I mean really, the Palme investigation!) It is true that historically speaking, a party does follow the military actions that were started by the other one, but it looks to me that many other things will follow from the dumping of Bush: like more support overseas and better interpretation of intelligence, since decisions of future actions will not be hostage to extreme Neo-con ideologies. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/28 "2003-12-01T02:18:27Z")
> [@](#): > > The president is representing the policy of both parties, right ? No, the differences between the two parties are sometimes difficult to see, but in this case it’s pretty easy. The president is all for continuing the campaign of misinformation and lies that brought us into this quagmire. The dems feel that we’ve had enough of that crap, and favor a return to a multilateral _reality-based_ policy with respect to Iraq, as well as the war on terror. Of course, what with the neocons being in charge of the Iraq spin machine, it’s kind of hard to tell what _is_ reality, and what illusion. ---
**Author:** ![whiterabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cab0a1/32.png) [@whiterabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiterabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/29 "2003-12-01T02:23:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Revtim \* > \*\*Only when there’s a Democrat in the White House. \*\* Ohhhhhhhhh. Silly me. Ya know, my brother’s going into the Air Force. Right now. And he’s not any fonder of Bush and his buddies than I am. It is possible to separate appreciating and serving one’s country from kissing Bush’s ass, said ass hopefully destined to be kicked outta Washington next year. The funny thing is, I feel more patriotic in loathing Bush than I ever did in liking Clinton, who was the first president I paid any attention at all to, since I voted for him and all. I hate what he’s doing to my country. ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/30 "2003-12-01T02:33:36Z")
Just to all: Sure, there’s a difference in tone between Dems and Pubbies. A different tone implies a different approach (“we’d have done it differently”) and (thus) engineers a degree of distance from Bush so they (the Dems) can attack him. But they’re agreed on the big picture, on conquest, on the war of aggression. No one’s saying “come home”everyone’s still on message “We’ll stick this thing out” e.g. the occupation is open-ended ? ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/31 "2003-12-01T02:35:20Z")
She also tells an outright lie…here she says Clinton didn’t win the popular vote. > [@](#): > > And everybody´s trying to take control of the ship, because most don´t think we have a bona fide captain. He didn´t get the popular vote of all the sailors on board. > > Well, that last captain we had, didn´t come on board ship with the popular vote either. And if I remember, the water was pretty calm then. I beg to differ… 1992 Bill Clinton 43.0% George Bush 37.4% Ross Perot 18.9% 1996 Bill Clinton 49% Bob Dole 41% Ross Perot 8% One last complaint about here. She’s not even entertaining to read. At least Coulter makes me laugh. ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/32 "2003-12-01T03:09:47Z")
**LC** : Also in actions. Either NATO or the UN would be brought in to help deal with the occupation, and probably they’d even let a British company be prime contractor for one of the reconstruction projects. I mean, Blair could’ve at least insisted on some of the spoils from this splendid little war if he was going to come on board, couldn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/33 "2003-12-01T03:20:58Z")
_“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”_ – **Theodore Roosevelt, 1918** ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/34 "2003-12-01T03:45:30Z")
> [@](#): > > Democrats And Terrorists Are Like-Minded > … Both Want George Bush Gone! > By > Debbie Daniel I think we’ve just found Mrs. **december**. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SweetLucy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@SweetLucy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SweetLucy)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/35 "2003-12-01T05:38:17Z")
What a fascist bitch :rolleyes: sounds more like rhetoric from one of Saddam’s mistresses than from a US citizen. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/36 "2003-12-01T06:12:51Z")
> [@](#): > > The display of animus, shown at the past debate in Detroit, reminded me of a bunch of idiots throwing anchors overboard trying to create a drag on the vessel . . . not letting it move forward. Sail on, sail on, O sheep of State! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/37 "2003-12-01T06:20:18Z")
“Why, everything is perfectly fine! Look, see! The rats have being driven off the ship!” ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/38 "2003-12-01T06:39:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stoid \* > See… the left doesn’t produce this level of perfect insanity, does it? No, you’d need heavy-handed control of the media to get this sort of stupidity – and last I looked, the left doesn’t have anything close to the Fox News/talk radio/Ann Coulter bullshit trifecta. ---
**Author:** ![Inoshiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a9adbd/32.png) [@Inoshiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inoshiro)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103/39 "2003-12-01T17:32:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jeff Olsen \* > \*\*By > Debbie Daniel > \*\* And the award for most incoherent wingnut rant by a female goes to… Debbie Daniel!!! Ann Coulter storms out in tears saying “but it was mine, it was MIIIIINE!!!” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-oppose-the-president-youre-aiding-terror/216103.md?page=1)