# If You Support Gun Control In The U.S., What Do You Want Specifically \[Poll\] **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 27, 2017, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869 "2017-11-27T14:20:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869/81 "2017-11-29T04:42:51Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > You never heard of the M1, the Model 8, or the Thompson? Does this rhetorical question have anything to do with what I said? ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869/82 "2017-11-29T05:16:01Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Does this rhetorical question have anything to do with what I said? What you said is meaningless. Comparing different societies is pointless. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869/83 "2017-11-29T07:25:41Z")
Well you got me. Nice refutation. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869/84 "2017-11-29T13:59:24Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > … But none have the homicide rate of the US. Actually, the US, as a country, ranks in the 50th percentile for [homicide rate per capita](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) (94th of 219; 4.88 per 100K). One may be able to argue that the availability of guns contributes to a higher [suicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate)in the US (48th of 183, 12.6 per 100K), but even that is not clear - there are just too many variables. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869/85 "2017-11-29T14:11:13Z")
I said _developed_ countries. Which in fairness means there are some countries which just about qualify (depending on what definition we’re using), and have higher homicide rates than the US. But not many, and those that are do not have GDPs close to the US’. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869/86 "2017-11-29T16:09:07Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > I said _developed_ countries. Which in fairness means there are some countries which just about qualify (depending on what definition we’re using), and have higher homicide rates than the US. But not many, and those that are do not have GDPs close to the US’. Yeah, yeah, I have seen those articles. See what you do is define “developed countries” so that nations with low homicide rates are “developed” and those with high rates are ignored, so as to make the point. For example, Mexico is a developed western democracy that happens to have a crazy high murder rate, so it is just ignored. Bogus, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869/87 "2017-11-29T16:18:54Z")
I voted “Other” … gun registration and allowing the FBI to keep detailed statistics on crimes involving a gun … Neither of these “gun control” measure interferes with MY right to go down to the gun shoppe and purchase a Glock 30 automatic .45 with that 33 round clip … that pretty lil’ baby has to be registered anyway … However, these detailed statistics would most probably change many voters attitude towards more stringent gun control laws … ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869/88 "2017-11-29T16:45:13Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sure. But do I need to actually SHOOT the geese during hunting season? Or can I just grab them when they are under my feet trying to get bread? If this is a domestic goose, and you own him, then of course you can wack him with a baseball bat and eat him … if the goose belongs to someone else, then you’ll need that person’s permission … If this is a wild goose, then you’ll have to follow all the rules and regulations set out by the various governments involved … ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869/89 "2017-11-29T16:48:26Z")
I was going to vote, “Ban only certain kinds of guns,” but in my perfect world, all guns would have to be registered the way cars are. It’s can’t be that hard; pretty much every active mobile telephone is “registered” in that it has a unique phone number assigned by a central agency of some sort. Then again, in my perfect world, everybody understands that registering a gun is **not** “the first step towards taking your gun away.” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869/90 "2017-11-29T16:53:22Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > I was going to vote, “Ban only certain kinds of guns,” but in my perfect world, all guns would have to be registered the way cars are. It’s can’t be that hard; pretty much every active mobile telephone is “registered” in that it has a unique phone number assigned by a central agency of some sort. > " Cars which are not driven on the public roads generally do not have to be registered. And cell phones most certainly are not, google “burner phone” someday. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869/91 "2017-11-29T17:24:21Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@Mijin](#): > > > > I said developed countries. Which in fairness means there are some countries which just about qualify (depending on what definition we’re using), and have higher homicide rates than the US. But not many, and those that are do not have GDPs close to the US’. > > Yeah, yeah, I have seen those articles. See what you do is define “developed countries” so that nations with low homicide rates are “developed” and those with high rates are ignored, so as to make the point. For example, Mexico is a developed western democracy that happens to have a crazy high murder rate, so it is just ignored. Bogus, sorry. I want to respond to this, but I feel the sentence of mine that you quoted is already a response. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869/92 "2017-11-29T21:53:39Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > Cars that are not driven on public streets don’t need to be insured. What’s the equivalent for guns? That varies by state (the car thing). I believe in my state, if you drive it at all, it must have insurance on it. I just had this conversation with my insurance agent about my daughters car and her moving out of state next year for college - leaving the car behind. We are retaining insurance, because if it manages to leave the garage uninsured (or get stolen) we’ll have a problem. If you trip on my sidewalk walking up to my house - even if you weren’t invited and are trespassing, my homeowners insurance will still cover you if you break a leg - you are on my property and I’m responsible for my property. If I don’t have homeowner’s insurance, you can sue me. And for guns, you’d need to insure it if you own it - even if its stolen, you are responsible for insurance until there is a valid transfer in its registration. You need to be responsible for your property. If you never take it out of the safe, I’m sure the insurance industry will have “collectors insurance” for guns like that. I’m sure there will be discounts for those that never leave private property. I’m sure actuaries will work out - over time - the insurance difference between one type of gun and another, between a gun used for hunting and a gun used for target practice at a range. Between someone who owns one gun and someone who owns six. Between guns kept in a house with children that live there and guns kept in homes of people who don’t have children - even grandkids that visit. Between someone who owns a gun whose brother has a felony conviction for armed robbery and someone whose background check of known associates is clean. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869/93 "2017-11-29T22:40:12Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > If this is a wild goose, then you’ll have to follow all the rules and regulations set out by the various governments involved … Does this include some kind of chase? ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869/94 "2017-11-29T22:46:04Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Neither of these “gun control” measure interferes with MY right to go down to the gun shoppe and purchase a Glock 30 automatic .45 with that 33 round clip … that pretty lil’ baby has to be registered anyway . I didn’t know Glock made full auto model 30’s prior to 1986. Where can I buy one? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869/95 "2017-11-29T23:44:18Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > I didn’t know Glock made full auto model 30’s prior to 1986. Where can I buy one? There was so much wrong with that quote, I couldn’t decide where to start and just threw up my hands. ETA: I mean **watchwolf49** ’s, not **pkbites** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-support-gun-control-in-the-u-s-what-do-you-want-specifically-poll/802869.md?page=4)