If you were G.W. Bush, would you issue a blanket pardon of yourself...

I’ve been wondering about that, too - not about the president pardoning himself, but the “ordinary” felons. Like Scooter. Was he required to allocute (if that’s the term)?

I personally think Shrubya would be displaying great glittering gobs of chutzpah if he pardoned himself for so much as a fart.

No. The President can grant a blanket pardon or one that covers a period of years or what have you. He can’t pardon for future crimes, but anything in the past is fair game. The only technical requirements imposed by caselaw are delivery and acceptance.

Delivery and acceptance are still important. After Clinton’s pardons, some republican members of congress actually claimed the pardons could be revoked by the next president, relying on a case that permitted revocation of an undelivered pardon (of course they did their best to “forget” to mention that the case turned on the fact that the pardon was undelivered).

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0102/28/lkl.00.html

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http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju71180.000/hju71180_0.HTM

Here is part of the case, In re De Puy:

1869 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 173; 7 F. Cas. 506; 3 Ben. 307; 10 Int. Rev. Rec. 34; 2 Am. Law T. Rep. U.S. Cts. 130 (S.D.N.Y. 1869)

And here is an 1869 New York Times article about the incident: http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9F06E6DF1F3CEF34BC4F53DFB5668382679FDE&oref=slogin

You’ll see the materials in my previous post in an upcoming staff report.

Thanks, Gfactor.

Oy Gfactor. The NYT link didn’t work.

Apparently you’ve got to be registered (free) and/or have the appropriate cookie in place to see that. I got to that page from here: “Ex-President Johnson’s Pardons–The Dupay Warrants Recalled.” The New York Times, March, 7, 1869: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9F06E6DF1F3CEF34BC4F53DFB5668382679FDE

Assuming the Democrat is inaugurated, it might be quite interesting to see him/her issue a pardon to Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and down the list for all crimes related to starting the war. Not only would that be a Ford-like gesture of statecraft, ending another “long national nightmare”, but it would be tantamount to a permanent indictment of them in the court of public (and eventually historical) opinion. By quietly accepting the pardons, they’d all look like they were pleading guilty to whatever the pardons specified, but by objecting in any way, they’d have to start the long-delayed open discussion of what they did do.

Why would they accept the pardons when they don’t believe they’ve done anything wrong and the chance of a prosecution is very small?

Because the topic of their prosecution would then be raised in The Great Arena of Public Discourse. They’d have to say just what they *did * do and why, for one thing. For another, the new President would then be politically required to begin the prosecution effort, having already effectively declared a belief in their guilt.

*Can * one refuse a pardon?

No, because I think in his mind that he didn’t do anything wrong, and was actually being helpful.

Why are you - and various others here - so sure that “they don’t believe they’ve done anything wrong”?

Torture is a federal fucking crime. Ditto warrantless wiretappinge. And God knows what other laws they’ve broken. Do you honestly think Bush and Company are so colossally stupid they don’t know they’re at risk? I think you need to get your bullshit meter tweaked.

Elvis1ives, your idea of pardoning the bastards…

I doubt it’ll play.

The new president would be keel-hauled. The pardonees would run off gleefully to celebrate their deliverance. For they give not a shit for their place in history. They have no sense of honor. They would know only that beat the rap and that would be infinitely more than they could have ever hoped for.

If Obama or Hillary pardoned them the Repubs would thank her for saving the nation from a horrible nightmare. They did that with Ford and people believe it.
Nixon should have been held responsible for his actions. Maybe the Shrub would have thought better of his actions if he faced prosecution. But Ford helped show the executive is above the law.

Republican people. that is.

I have seen a lot of pundits claim he saved us from a national nightmare. I think justice trumps politics. He should have gone to trial.

When Nixon nominated Ford for VP, it was not widely known just how close the two of them were. See this thread from Ford’s passing in 2006.

See also here.

If I were G.W. (shudder) I’d see the word “blanket” and whip out the ol’ rubber stamp!

If YOU were GW, you’d think you were the best DAMN President since George Washington, himself! No pardon needed when you 're a legend in your own mind.

Honey, if I were in Bush’s shoes, I would have invaded N. Korea, not Iraq, then resigned when it was clear the USA didn’t want to have its head of state managing a doomed revolution in another country. Then I’d hide out in N. Korea. They want to charge me with a crime after I’m gone, I’m pretty sure I can’t pre-eptively pardon myself. I could ram a law through preventing me from being charged before I go.