# If you whine about political correctness, you're a bigot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2015, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671 "2015-07-20T07:12:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/1 "2015-07-20T07:12:07Z")
Seriously. Maybe I’ve just missed it, but I don’t think so. Every freaking time I hear someone bitching about “political correctness” it’s to make a bigoted comment or to bitch about the person they’re accusing of being “PC” or “Liberal” is being “too soft” on someone the accuser hates–and that hatred based usually on prejudice. So, let me lay it out for you bigoted jackasses: Treating Blacks just like you treat Whites isn’t PC: it’s the right thing to do. Treating Muslims like you treat any other people isn’t PC: it’s the right thing to do. Treating immigrants like you treat any other people is’t PC: it’s the right thing to do. Treating all people like people isn’t PC: it’s the right thing to do. So, if you’re ready to whine more–in real life or on a message board–about someone being PC, shut the fuck up! More likely than not, you’ve already shown yourself to be a jackass; no need to add more proof. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/2 "2015-07-20T07:16:32Z")
Agreed, though the whiners may have had a point during the mid 1980s, when the term came into widespread use. Not sure. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/3 "2015-07-20T07:20:00Z")
Nah; they’ve never had a point. The term has always been used as a weapon and the target either the targets of the user’s bigotry or the person “supporting those {insert ethnic/religious/whatever slur}”. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/4 "2015-07-20T07:20:38Z")
Most complaints about “PC”-ness are not about equal treatment, but specifically excusing behaviour that would not be acceptable outside that group. Treating Blacks unlike Whites is PC: it’s the wrong thing to do. Treating Muslims unlike other people is PC: it’s the wrong thing to do. Treating immigrants unlike you treat any other people is PC: it’s the wrong thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/5 "2015-07-20T07:26:58Z")
Mr Shine: Let me be the first to ask you this: WTF? Are you even trying to make sense? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/6 "2015-07-20T07:30:56Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > Most complaints about “PC”-ness are not about equal treatment, but specifically excusing behaviour that would not be acceptable outside that group. > > Treating Blacks unlike Whites is PC: it’s the wrong thing to do. > Treating Muslims unlike other people is PC: it’s the wrong thing to do. > Treating immigrants unlike you treat any other people is PC: it’s the wrong thing to do. Could you provide examples ? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/7 "2015-07-20T07:43:40Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Could you provide examples ? Of course not. My response to his post should’ve been “Case in point”. I’m home sick today so I’m going to use that as an excuse for being off my game. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/8 "2015-07-20T07:44:41Z")
Let me guess. If a white person’s using the N-word is racist, then a black person’s use is also racist. If a retail business engages in the War on Christianity by saying “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas,” then whenever a Muslim commits a crime, then all Muslims are to blame. If immigrants want to come to the United States for a better life then their grandchildren get to call all first-generation immigrants rapists. Does that just about cover it? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/9 "2015-07-20T07:50:05Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Of course not. My response to his post should’ve been “Case in point”. I’m home sick today so I’m going to use that as an excuse for being off my game. Well, this was in GD, so I felt prudent to delete the original end to that post : “or are you just flinging your own poop at the visitors” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/10 "2015-07-20T07:54:01Z")
Then there are a ton of bigoted comedians out there and bigoted TV comedies. And what the OP described is not the limits of political correctness. Not even close. Also, treating all people as people means that all groups can be equally made fun of. If only certain groups are okay to poke fun at, then you’re not treating people as people, you’re treating one group of people as grownups(the ones who can take being made fun of) and another as children(who need to be coddled). ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/11 "2015-07-20T07:56:19Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > So, if you’re ready to whine more–in real life or on a message board–shut the fuck up! More likely than not, you’ve already shown yourself to be a jackass; no need to add more proof. you mean like you’re doing right now??? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/12 "2015-07-20T08:01:40Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > you mean like you’re doing right now??? I’ve thought for quite a long time now that you’re a consummate jackass. You really do not need to add more proof to convince me. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/13 "2015-07-20T08:09:35Z")
Well is it ok to enjoy non-PC humor? I really enjoy comedians like Louis C. K. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/14 "2015-07-20T08:11:06Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I’ve thought for quite a long time now that you’re a consummate jackass. You really do not need to add more proof to convince me. Oh yes I know, funny that you would think that would matter to me. Only children get mad when other people call them names. And it’s children who scream and yell when they get mad. So, if that makes me the more mature between the two of us… well, so be it. Now _Seriously. Maybe I’ve just missed it, but I don’t think so. Every freaking time I hear someone bitching about “political correctness” it’s to make a bigoted comment or to bitch about the person they’re accusing of being “PC” or “Liberal” is being “too soft” on someone the accuser hates–and that hatred based usually on prejudice._ Lets make one little change _Seriously. Maybe I’ve just missed it, but I don’t think so. Every freaking time I hear someone bitching about [ABC1234] it’s to make a bigoted comment or to bitch about the person they’re accusing of being [ABC1234] is being [ABC1234] on someone the accuser hates–and that hatred based usually on prejudice._ You sound exactly like the people you are complaining about ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/15 "2015-07-20T08:14:45Z")
Well, yeah. If you’re going to pretend I said something I didn’t say. And, as I say, you really didn’t need to add more proof. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/16 "2015-07-20T08:17:36Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Also, treating all people as people means that all groups can be equally made fun of. If only certain groups are okay to poke fun at, then you’re not treating people as people, you’re treating one group of people as grownups(the ones who can take being made fun of) and another as children(who need to be coddled). Well, there are certain power dynamics in play here. Making fun of the President isn’t quite the same as making fun of the guy next door who was crippled in a motorcycle accident. So it’s safer to make fun of the majority. It’s also safer and easier being part of the majority, so suck it up. To the OP: how about people who complain about “social justice warriors”? I’m curious. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/17 "2015-07-20T08:18:25Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Well, yeah. If you’re going to pretend I said something I didn’t say. And, as I say, you really didn’t need to add more proof. Well your initial post was a bit hostile, that’s my point… and you were complaining… about people whining… what the difference between complaining and whining? EDIT: oh wait… I misread your OP. You’re complaining about Bigotry. OK, well you’re still pretty upset… ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/18 "2015-07-20T08:32:06Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Well, there are certain power dynamics in play here. Making fun of the President isn’t quite the same as making fun of the guy next door who was crippled in a motorcycle accident. So it’s safer to make fun of the majority. It’s also safer and easier being part of the majority, so suck it up. > > To the OP: how about people who complain about “social justice warriors”? I’m curious. It’s comedy. Power dynamics don’t matter at all. It also should be irrelevant when discussing serious policy or when doing scientific research. It’s also not about the majority sucking it up. It’s about having an open society where ideas can be exchanged freely. Where we can do art without worrying about losing our livelihood, and do research which might lead to an unpopular result, and debate policies for the good of the country. A country where people need to watch what they say lest the consequences be serious for them is not a healthy country. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/19 "2015-07-20T08:46:03Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It’s comedy. Power dynamics don’t matter at all. Of course they fucking matter. Comedy is social commentary, it’s not wholly abstract and detached from society. [Or, to put it another, funnier way…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw_mRaIHb-M) ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2015, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/20 "2015-07-20T09:09:41Z")
I would also add that PC doesn’t preclude from comedy and making fun of “protected” groups. There’s just OMG-but-fun and ha-ha-only-horribly-racist. When [Senior Black Correspondent Larry Wilmore did any bit](http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/5a93un/the-black-presidency) on the Daily Show they were always steeped in equal parts racial humour, racial self-mockery and poking fun at “white people”. When brother-dad Larry asks, in jest, “What do you call a nigger in a suit ? A defendant ! Haw, haw, haw” that’s not PC, but also not clever \*and \*not funny. It’s just a reinforcement of a damaging prejudicial stereotype loosely formatted as a “joke”. See the difference ? I’ll give you a hint : only one of those makes white AND black people laugh. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671.md?page=2)