# If you whine about political correctness, you're a bigot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2015, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671 "2015-07-20T07:12:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/321 "2015-07-27T19:54:13Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You’re genuinely holding yourself up as an example of civility in discourse? Outside of the pit. I give far more benefit of doubt to people who use offensive words and symbols because I’ve lived in many different situations around many different people and know that words and symbols very rarely tell a complete story. So yeah if someone flies a Confederate flag or calls a woman “bitch” or whatever I don’t organize a campaign to demonize them. If I want to change minds concerning bigotry or oppression I take a different approach. I’m one of those you’d believe were a bigot because I think the modern form of “PC” is a mindless cult. jsgoddess pointed out I only participate in topics that involve the right to offend. That’s not entirely true but at the moment it’s close enough. And I have no problem defending the right to offend. I do find it humorous that the the defense is actually offensive. I wonder how you’d feel about the ACLU. Or defense lawyers. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/322 "2015-07-27T20:15:57Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’m one of those you’d believe were a bigot because I think the modern form of “PC” is a mindless cult. For what it’s worth, I certainly wouldn’t believe you a bigot for thinking that. Just stupid. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/323 "2015-07-27T20:24:42Z")
> [@andros](#): > > For what it’s worth, I certainly wouldn’t believe you a bigot for thinking that. > > Just stupid. True. I don’t think he would have to be a bigot based on that, though it helps. No, it’s the combination of that, plus saying that “Coontown”-like forums would be fine but the nasty pit is sooo nasty. Or defending the confederacy. Or fun with everyone’s favorite science, scientific racism. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/324 "2015-07-27T20:26:13Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The hypocrisy is only surpassed by the cowardliness of many in this thread and the so-called the pit. Engaging in hostile and nasty communication solely because you feel empowered by anonymity and in the company of like-minded sycophants while critiquing how others communicate is funny. I doubt many in here actually get in someone’s face and communicate in the style they communicate here. > > Faux outrage from those afraid of the PC-brigade has claimed another victim. RIP Hulk Hogan’s career. Fired for a word your own boss used on national TV. Shut up, moron. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/325 "2015-07-27T20:33:13Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > True. I don’t think he would have to be a bigot based on that, though it helps. > > No, it’s the combination of that, plus saying that “Coontown”-like forums would be fine but the nasty pit is sooo nasty. Or defending the confederacy. Or fun with everyone’s favorite science, scientific racism. Oh, Coontown. Yeah that place is vile. Should it be shut down? If Reddit wants to sure. If Reddit wants to be more or less content neutral than no. I don’t think I’ve ever defended the Confederacy. I am anti secession for practically any reason. And what is scientific racism? Do you have any quotes, in context, that support your claims? Reddit and Straight Dope are two different types of boards. So of course I’m going to rag about the pit which is full of hypocritical dunces. There is a reason I don’t post on sites like 4chan or Reddit. Straight Dope actually has some useful people with some useful information. Than we have folks like you, who sit judgmental and exhibit dreadful reading comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/326 "2015-07-27T20:39:24Z")
> [@andros](#): > > For what it’s worth, I certainly wouldn’t believe you a bigot for thinking that. > > Just stupid. I’d be defensive if I were a member of a brain washed cult as well. Even Chris Rock is annoyed by you people. [http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2014/12/01/what-chris-rock-said-about-political-correctness-should-make-college-students-gasp-n1925772](http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2014/12/01/what-chris-rock-said-about-political-correctness-should-make-college-students-gasp-n1925772) ---
**Author:** ![CinnamonBabka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bbce88/32.png) [@CinnamonBabka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CinnamonBabka)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/327 "2015-07-27T20:47:20Z")
Can you show us an example where someone in this thread said referring to someone by their race is unacceptable? Because that’s what Chris Rock’s quote is about. Just because your news blog of choice slapped “political correctness” in the title to generate pageviews doesn’t mean that’s what the content of the article conveys. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/328 "2015-07-27T20:52:27Z")
> [@CinnamonBabka](#): > > Can you show us an example where someone in this thread said referring to someone by their race is unacceptable? Because that’s what Chris Rock’s quote is about. Just because your news blog of choice slapped “political correctness” in the title to generate pageviews doesn’t mean that’s what the content of the article conveys. I find the “even Chris Rock” phrasing hilarious. CHRIS ROCK! EVEN CHRIS ROCK! My heavens! ---
**Author:** ![CinnamonBabka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bbce88/32.png) [@CinnamonBabka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CinnamonBabka)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/329 "2015-07-27T20:54:02Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I find the “even Chris Rock” phrasing hilarious. CHRIS ROCK! EVEN CHRIS ROCK! My heavens! I’ve been on a real “the title of the story does not match the story’s content” kick lately, so I missed that part. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/330 "2015-07-27T20:58:47Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I find the “even Chris Rock” phrasing hilarious. CHRIS ROCK! EVEN CHRIS ROCK! My heavens! Did you get the vapors? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/331 "2015-07-27T20:59:25Z")
> [@CinnamonBabka](#): > > I’ve been on a real “the title of the story does not match the story’s content” kick lately, so I missed that part. You with your actual clicking of links… 😃 I lazily just saw the [townhall.com](http://townhall.com) url and the “even Chris Rock” and laughed and laughed. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/332 "2015-07-27T21:04:44Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > You with your actual clicking of links… 😃 I lazily just saw the [townhall.com](http://townhall.com) url and the “even Chris Rock” and laughed and laughed. Aren’t you ridiculous. The PC crowd is too busy being offended to laugh. ---
**Author:** ![CinnamonBabka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bbce88/32.png) [@CinnamonBabka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CinnamonBabka)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/333 "2015-07-27T21:12:19Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > You with your actual clicking of links… 😃 I lazily just saw the [townhall.com](http://townhall.com) url and the “even Chris Rock” and laughed and laughed. I was already somewhat familiar with the Chris Rock quote. I really only clicked to verify [townhall.com](http://townhall.com) didn’t have information I hadn’t seen yet ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/334 "2015-07-27T21:15:44Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > So… Are you a Der Wienerschnitzel fan? Between your wienerschnitzel and my [schnoodle](http://www.theschnoodleshack.com/sitebuilderpictures/biscuit1.jpg)we’d be two wild and crazy guys! > [@Trinopus](#): > > You’re actually one of my favorite Dopers, so if you had seriously been irked with me, I’d have been quite distressed. You needn’t worry about that. In fact, if we were neighbors I think we’d have a relationship rather like [Ozzie Nelson and his pal, Thorny](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inkDwVTjQEk). Admit it, you’re a lot like Ozzie, aren’t you (that’s my mental image)? 🙂 > [@Trinopus](#): > > I grew up around cattle, so I have very definitely been poopie-footed at times. A reg’lar ol’ shitkicker! And, yeah, I’ve had it on my pants, and shirts, and… …hmm, on second thought, maybe we needn’t be next door neighbors, you can live somewhere down the road from me…downwind. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/335 "2015-07-27T21:29:25Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > I spend too much of my life saying “I don’t _have_ Aspergers, I _am_ aspergian”. Similarly, I don’t ‘have’ maleness, I don’t ‘have’ homosexuality, I don’t ‘have’ left-handedness and so on (though I do ‘have’ grey hair, I do ‘have’ big feet etc…I’m not sure can I draw a clear line between the cases). > > … > > You just don’t get it. In fact, for a lot of disabilities it’s neither…it’s that society has steps. Actual stairs, rather than ramps, I mean - someone whose illness, injury or condition requires a wheelchair often isn’t disabled until they reach the stairs. I find this perspective fascinating, and would like to explore it further. I will start a thread in GD. (Well, I intend to start one, if a crisis does not call me away from my PC.) > [@](#): > > You’re not even right about not being right. Well, no, there’s quite a bit of truth in there, but it’s a tad condescending to tell disabled people what they should be concerned about. I think you totally missed my point. At no point was I comparing: (1) How bad it is when people with disabilities have to deal with people using the wrong term to describe then vs (2) How bad it is when people with disabilities have to actually attempt to live each day of their life with their disabilities in a society that frequently has inadequate wheelchair ramps, etc. I have no basis for making such a comparison. Rather, I was comparing (1) How bad it is when people with disabilities have to actually attempt to live each day of their life with their disabilities in a society that frequently has inadequate wheelchair ramps, etc. vs (2) How bad it is for people WITHOUT disabilities when they suffer the terrible indignity of having people with disabilities tell them they’re using the wrong words to describe people with disabilities > [@](#): > > Currently, I’m most concerned about people who talk of ‘people with disabilities’ as though we were an homogenous group; those who think that they can best help by perpetuating a victim narrative; and those who dismiss actual concerns about the language used to frame others’ experience as not ‘actual’ difficulties. When you say “most concerned”, do you mean “most concerned, out of all the issues that exist in the world” or “most concerned, out of all the issues specifically facing people with disabilities”, or “most concerned, out of issues facing people with disabilities that have to do with choice of language and patterns of thought”? ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/336 "2015-07-27T22:27:55Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think the other thread that got started about how the Vagina Monologues was cancelled because it might offend women without vaginas pretty much debunks the OP. Political correctness does in fact go too far, and when people’s lives aren’t being ruined in the name of it, it’s actually really amusing. This won’t be addressed because it summarily wins the debate. ---
**Author:** ![CinnamonBabka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bbce88/32.png) [@CinnamonBabka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CinnamonBabka)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/337 "2015-07-27T22:30:40Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > This won’t be addressed because it summarily wins the debate. That and it’s not very fun to poke holes in a good argument. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/338 "2015-07-27T23:57:46Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > This won’t be addressed because it summarily wins the debate. Absolutely! Except I’m not sure you’re using the words “summarily”, “wins” and “debate” correctly. Or that **adaher** remembers the OP isn’t about whether ‘pc-ness’ exists or whether some liberal groups have ever been ridiculously oversensitive. Other than that, right on! ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/339 "2015-07-28T00:06:06Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’d be defensive if I were a member of a brain washed cult as well. Even Chris Rock is annoyed by you people. [http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2014/12/01/what-chris-rock-said-about-political-correctness-should-make-college-students-gasp-n1925772](http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2014/12/01/what-chris-rock-said-about-political-correctness-should-make-college-students-gasp-n1925772) You’re impressively hypocritical. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/340 "2015-07-28T00:27:41Z")
> [@andros](#): > > You’re impressively hypocritical. I don’t think you know what that word means however I defend your right to misuse it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671.md?page=18)