# If you whine about political correctness, you're a bigot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2015, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671 "2015-07-20T07:12:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/441 "2015-08-05T15:09:58Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Yes, I do. You complained about the use of “that’s gay” as a pejorative. If you’re not worried about hurt feelings, what is your point, then? Whatever you say, pal. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/442 "2015-08-05T15:12:18Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > It seems to me an imbecilic tack would be the best way to deal with an imbecile…but I don’t recognise (or, frankly, understand) the ‘tack’ you imply I’m taking. Clearly. Imbecile. And what the hell is so mystifying about the word ‘tack’ to you, I thought English was your first language. Turns out it’s ‘Moron’. > [@](#): > > Try to exert whatever intelligence you generally leave languishing and see if you can’t follow the reasoning. I’d have to see evidence of reasoning first. > [@](#): > > Suppose, for example, a black rapper calls another ‘nigga’ - is it a slur? Apparently not, proving that the slur is \*not/i] in the arrangement of letters. Nigga, of course, has the same arrangement of letters as nigger…:dubious: And even if it was ‘nigger’, so what? It’s just a slur that’s been taken back, doesn’t make it not a slur. > [@](#): > > As for South Africa, when apartheid racists referred to ‘lazy blacks’ for example, the word ‘blacks’ _was_ a slur (and no doubt still is for racists there). Or are you suggesting it was a compliment? Once again - ‘_lazy_ Blacks’ is the slur, and it does _not_ have the same ‘arrangement of letters’ as ‘blacks’ And there were actual slurs available for use. No racist would say ‘lazy black’ when ‘lazy kaffir’ was on the table, you ignorant simp. > [@](#): > > I have no idea who’s accused you of stalking before Sure you don’t, mate, suuure you don’t. 😉 > [@](#): > > Again, try to understand why it’s considered very poor form, there’s a good chap. Take you ‘chap’ and shove it up your cactus hole, ‘chum’ > [@](#): > > If you weren’t calling me a racist, by your selective quote and implication of acquaintance with someone who, according to your link to a thread about ‘sub-human blacks’, thinks that blacks are sub-human, then you might be better served by communicating more clearly. Didn’t bother to actually read the thread I linked to? That’s OK. It’s not written in Remedial, I understand. But it’s a bit of cheek to then say I didn’t communicate my intent. I communicated quite clearly that now there are clearly _two_ villages missing their idiots. Who are, of course, _complete_ strangers to each other. > [@](#): > > Isn’t the Pit fun? The one place you can call someone a troll. Well, I could also have said “back into your drawer”… I’m thinking that’s just as likely. > [@](#): > > The word seems to have lost any real meaning now though No, I think it fits perfectly for wannabe-poet Aspie argumentative ‘chap’ types who seem certain - nay, one may say, _designed_ - to get up the noses of particular sets of posters. You’re an argumentative idiot who jumps into volatile subjects to get a rise out of people. “Troll” fits perfectly well… > [@](#): > > For the record (and though a certain rule may be applicable here), I’m putting you back in your box. You’re not the boss of me, pal. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/443 "2015-08-05T18:12:55Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > But ‘nigger’ _isn’t_ a vicious slur - the slur is not in any particular arrangement of letters, it’s in the attitude with which it’s used. It’s superstition to suppose otherwise. I think you’re just wrong. Suppose I meet a bunch of racists, and they all use the word “nigger”, but with absolutely clear intonation and surrounding context making it clear that they intend it as an insult. At the same time, I meet plenty of non-racists, and they generally use words like “black” or “african-american”. Then I meet some guy, and I don’t know if he’s a racist or not, and he says the following, with no particular intonation or inflection: “Yeah, that’s my friend Bob over there… yeah, wearing the green hat, standing next to the nigger” I believe that his use of the word nigger, even in an extraordinarily neutral context like that, is evidence (although not proof) that he is a racist. And it encourages me to be more racist around him, because it makes it appear more acceptable and common to be racist. > [@](#): > > It’s not that I think of it as dangerous, so much as unnecessary, misguided and superstitious. I also find it tiresome having to keep up with whatever this season’s terms are. But honestly, how often do you actually have to do that? I’m 41, and I find it VERY hard to think of any language that I’ve changed in the 20 or so years that I’ve been an adult. It looked for a while like maybe I should stop saying “black” and start saying “African American”, but I have literally never had anyone complain or take offense at my (hopefully non-derogatory) use of “black”. “Gay” is still perfectly acceptable, although “LGBT” has somewhat come into vogue to discuss the larger queer community. The switch away from terms like “secretary” and “stewardess” was already old news when I was in college. And note the huge difference between situations where some random fringe group disapproves of a term, and situations where society as a whole actually pressures you to stop using that term. Sure some wackos claim that “pets” should be called “animal companions”. But if you’ve actually had people take offense at your use of the word “pet” I’d be shocked. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/444 "2015-08-11T04:10:14Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/vuEQixrBKCc/hqdefault.jpg "George Carlin - Euphemisms") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc) God we miss George Carlin ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/445 "2015-08-12T05:15:57Z")
Meet Anne Rice, novelist, and apparent bigot. Here’s a somewhat interesting take on PC run amok. [Anne Rice - Signing off with thanks to all who have... | Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/annericefanpage/posts/10153597118000452) ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/446 "2015-08-12T18:26:09Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Meet Anne Rice, novelist, and apparent bigot. Here’s a somewhat interesting take on PC run amok. [Anne Rice](https://www.facebook.com/annericefanpage/posts/10153597118000452) Seems like an interesting topic and worthy of discussion, although without actual evidence of the types of thing she’s talking about it’s pretty meaningless. Are there examples of male authors who have literally had their careers destroyed because they dared to write about a female character? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/447 "2015-08-12T18:49:22Z")
Also, is there any evidence that Ms. Rice is not [del]a bugfuck loon[/del] an outlier? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/448 "2015-08-12T20:23:54Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Seems like an interesting topic and worthy of discussion, although without actual evidence of the types of thing she’s talking about it’s pretty meaningless. Are there examples of male authors who have literally had their careers destroyed because they dared to write about a female character? It’s been a while since I read through some of [this stuff](http://www.stopthegrbullies.com/2015/06/02/randi-harper-fights-amazons-removal-of-her-bully-review/), but I’m fairly certain you’ll find a male author attacked with the intent of damaging his career, for the crime of writing women, along with any other combination of author/character which might inspire the sort of online righteous social justice presence that gets off on that sort of thing. Speaking of which… > [@andros](#): > > Also, is there any evidence that Ms. Rice is not [del]a bugfuck loon[/del] an outlier? You show us yours first… ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/449 "2015-08-12T21:47:41Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Seems like an interesting topic and worthy of discussion, although without actual evidence of the types of thing she’s talking about it’s pretty meaningless. Are there examples of male authors who have literally had their careers destroyed because they dared to write about a female character? Well, there’s [Alexei Panshin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Panshin) horrible career move of writing [_Rite of Passage_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rite_of_Passage_(novel)). ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/450 "2015-08-12T22:14:00Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Well, there’s [Alexei Panshin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Panshin) horrible career move of writing [_Rite of Passage_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rite_of_Passage_(novel)). I… don’t get it. Is there some well-known controversy surrounding that novel? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/451 "2015-08-12T22:21:10Z")
I’ve never heard of any controversy over Rite of Passage. It’s the best “Heinlein Juvenile” that Heinlein never wrote. (It’s very much in the Heinlein style.) Panshin wrote a biography of Heinlein, and that was hugely controversial. But Rite of Passage has near-universal regard and admiration in the SF community. It’s a ripping good book. (Still waiting for The Universal Pantograph…) ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/452 "2015-08-12T23:22:48Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > You show us yours first… On the off-chance anone is seriously interested, [here’s a loverly example](http://www.themarysue.com/anne-rice-poor-review/) of Ms. Rice’s hypocrisy in the “people ganging up on authors” arena. There are other examples of quite arguable bugfuckery. But I’m more than confident in my opinion for the simple, albeit anecdotal, reason that I’ve met the woman. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/453 "2015-08-13T01:31:25Z")
> [@andros](#): > > On the off-chance anone is seriously interested, [here’s a loverly example](http://www.themarysue.com/anne-rice-poor-review/) of Ms. Rice’s hypocrisy in the “people ganging up on authors” arena. > > There are other examples of quite arguable bugfuckery. But I’m more than confident in my opinion for the simple, albeit anecdotal, reason that I’ve met the woman. \*‘Punishing Pandora And A Surprising Opinion on Anne Rice” by Miss Articulate is a review by some one who loathed the book so much she cut it to pieces. Comments most welcome.” \* This is goddamned mild as hell… ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/454 "2015-08-13T18:22:15Z")
I think this does once again emphasize how hard it is to decide what is and is not PC. If there’s an internet bully who is internet bullying with motivations that are at least somewhat in line with PC, but there is no actual groundswell of support among the liberal presumably-PC-loving population as a whole for said bullying, does that really count as something to blame on PC? Or just something to blame on a single internet bully being a bully? There are plenty of internet bullies doing approximately the same thing for reasons totally unrelated to PC. ---
**Author:** ![hdrydr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5e925/32.png) [@hdrydr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hdrydr)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/455 "2015-08-15T05:22:12Z")
Political correctness is for the weak minded that can NOT handle reality or the TRUTH. Say whatever you know to be TRUTH. Might it “offend” some people? BFD… Long live FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Words, such as “cracker”, “wet back”, “nigger”, “kike”, etc. are just WORDS. When you are told what you can/can not say by ANYONE or ANY GROUP you are being censored. NOBODY has the right to tell you what to say or think. The “politically correct” mask their agenda behind censorship. Their agenda? NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH. They are ignorant assclowns. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/456 "2015-08-15T17:43:28Z")
> [@hdrydr](#): > > Political correctness is for the weak minded that can NOT handle reality or the TRUTH. Say whatever you know to be TRUTH. Might it “offend” some people? BFD… Long live FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Words, such as “cracker”, “wet back”, “nigger”, “kike”, etc. are just WORDS. When you are told what you can/can not say by ANYONE or ANY GROUP you are being censored. NOBODY has the right to tell you what to say or think. The “politically correct” mask their agenda behind censorship. Their agenda? NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH. They are ignorant assclowns. So, in one sentence, you say that if ANYONE tells you what you can or can’t say, it’s censorship. In the very next sentence, you say nobody has the right to tell other people what to say or think. Which leads me to ask: why do you hate free speech so much? ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/457 "2015-11-24T00:18:00Z")
> **[Free yoga class at Ottawa university called off over 'cultural sensitivity...](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/university-ottawa-yoga-cultural-sensitivity-1.3330441)** > > A yoga instructor who says her free class at the University of Ottawa was cancelled because of concerns over cultural appropriation believes the student union's issues are misplaced. Basically, free yoga classes offered at the University of Ottawa have been scrapped because of complaints by some students and volunteers about “cultural appropriation”. According to the instructor: “I guess it was this cultural appropriation issue because yoga originally comes from India,” she said on Sunday. "I told them, ‘Why don’t we just change the name of the course?’ It’s simple enough, just call it mindful stretching.… We’re not going through the finer points of scripture. We’re talking about basic physical awareness and how to stretch so that you feel good. “That went back and forth… The higher-ups at the student federation got involved, finally we got an email routed through the student federation basically saying they couldn’t get a French name and nobody wants to do it, so we’re going to cancel it for now.” So someone volunteers to teach a free course, and this is the outcome, thanks to PC. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/458 "2015-11-24T01:19:06Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > [Yoga class cancelled at University of Ottawa over 'cultural issues' | CBC News](http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/university-ottawa-yoga-cultural-sensitivity-1.3330441) > > Basically, free yoga classes offered at the University of Ottawa have been scrapped because of complaints by some students and volunteers about “cultural appropriation”. > > According to the instructor: > > “I guess it was this cultural appropriation issue because yoga originally comes from India,” she said on Sunday. "I told them, ‘Why don’t we just change the name of the course?’ It’s simple enough, just call it mindful stretching.… We’re not going through the finer points of scripture. We’re talking about basic physical awareness and how to stretch so that you feel good. > > “That went back and forth… The higher-ups at the student federation got involved, finally we got an email routed through the student federation basically saying they couldn’t get a French name and nobody wants to do it, so we’re going to cancel it for now.” > > So someone volunteers to teach a free course, and this is the outcome, thanks to PC. Well you must be a bigot! Maybe just a pig stupid racist? I’m not sure what the insult of the day is for your ilk. My copy of SJW Weekly hasn’t arrived yet. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/459 "2015-11-24T02:12:29Z")
The bottom line is political correctness does have its place, but too many people go overboard with it. Many who complain of PC are just selfish assholes miffed that they cannot have their way, but then you see people complaining about using the word “niggardly” and you just have to shake your head. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/460 "2015-11-24T03:38:37Z")
> [@hdrydr](#): > > Political correctness is for the weak minded that can NOT handle reality or the TRUTH. No, wait, don’t turn it off! I’ve seen this bit, in a minute he blabs the whole thing and gets arrested! 🙂 > [@hdrydr](#): > > Say whatever you know to be TRUTH. Might it “offend” some people? BFD… Long live FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Words, such as “cracker”, “wet back”, “nigger”, “kike”, etc. are just WORDS. When you are told what you can/can not say by ANYONE or ANY GROUP you are being censored. NOBODY has the right to tell you what to say or think. The “politically correct” mask their agenda behind censorship. Their agenda? NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH. They are ignorant assclowns. > [@Miller](#): > > So, in one sentence, you say that if ANYONE tells you what you can or can’t say, it’s censorship. In the very next sentence, you say nobody has the right to tell other people what to say or think. Which leads me to ask: why do you hate free speech so much? Put another way, the 1st Amendment only says the police (in most circumstances) can’t arrest you for what you say. It does not mean that nobody can tell you what they think about what you say. It does not even mean that nobody can get in your face and shout you down. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671.md?page=24)