# If you whine about political correctness, you're a bigot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2015, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671 "2015-07-20T07:12:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/121 "2015-07-21T14:37:16Z")
And the votes [are in.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=585182) I guess I should say “were” in. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/122 "2015-07-21T14:59:39Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > But if it’s just a matter of allowing Sharia-compliant financial products which don’t violate any existing financial regulations to be offered by local banks - which will in turn allow people to buy houses without violating their religious beliefs - that would seem to be a good thing. If Sharia-complilant financial products are already legal, why does the city need to do anything? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/123 "2015-07-21T16:51:23Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > …So, yeah, bigotry’s involved here certainly, but it’s reactive bigotry. (post shortened) > [@xenophon41](#): > > …Maybe you and **doorhinge** should get together and try and come up with a competent “gotcha” post between the two of you. Trial and error, my friend. When you don’t have anything else going for you, variation and repetition couldn’t hurt. You’ve already admitted that it was bigotry. It looks like you “gotcha” your own self. hehehehe. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/124 "2015-07-21T16:56:38Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > You’ve already admitted that it was bigotry. It looks like you “gotcha” your own self. hehehehe. Please. Don’t help… ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/125 "2015-07-21T18:18:09Z")
Remember when “PC” used to be called Not Intentionally Being a Rude Dick to People Over Aspects of Themselves They Did Not Choose and Can Not Change? Good times! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/126 "2015-07-21T22:24:11Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Assuming that isn’t a joke (how is one to tell?), that’s a perfect example of PC run amok. I’d like to see the OP defend it. What’s to defend? It’s not actually a term anyone ever uses except to point out how similar it is to “nigger.” Either you’re making a joke about that, or you’re using it as a way to get by saying “nigger” without actually saying it. Likely both. It’s not as if it even covers a concept that we don’t already have several words for. Stingy, tightass, cheap, miserly, measly, scant, skimpy, pitiful… the list goes on. The point of using that term instead of those others is just to try and offend people. And doing something solely to offend people is exactly what political correctness is against. It’s not running amok, but working as intended. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/127 "2015-07-21T22:54:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And this is precisely the point I am making. > > However, the OP may be able to save the truth of his assertion, since it’s fair to say that while I disagree with the principal in this story, I wasn’t whining about it, and indeed would not have mentioned it except for the OP. Well, first off, you’d have to establish that this is a “political correctness” issue. It’s already been shown in this thread that there are other reasons for this that do not have anything to do with not offending people. Even if you establish that, you then have to establish a pattern, in order to be able to decry political correctness and to claim its gone amok and is harming society. Only then does whether or not you are whining come into play. * * * If you do accept the reasons offered in this thread, that kids unfamiliar with the topic would do worse on assignments, and thus get lower grades, then you’re saying you accept discrimination. I would be perfectly okay with calling that bigoted. To not be a bigot, no level of discrimination is acceptable. (And, yes, I mean discrimination in the way it is currently used, not “recognizing differences.”) There are no acceptable targets, and there is no amount that is too small to care about. Or, to put it in your language, there is no racial, ethnic, gender, sexual, or religious discrimination that is de minimis. If your argument boils down to “those people who are not like me are too sensitive,” you’re a bigot. In fact, I say being a good Christian and not being a bigot overlap greatly. It really does boil down to not loving ourselves more than others. The only difference is that Christianity has it at an individual level, where anti-bigotry has it at a group level. It’s still love your neighbor as yourself. You don’t go around saying shit that would piss your wife off unnecessarily. So don’t do it to THEM. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/128 "2015-07-21T22:57:21Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The point of using that term instead of those others is just to try and offend people. And doing something solely to offend people is exactly what political correctness is against. It’s not running amok, but working as intended. I don’t remember much about the original brouhaha regarding niggardly, but I don’t think that the person’s intentions were clearly to offend. I think (though again I might be wrong) that I assumed at the time that his intentions were fine. But now that it has blown up? People use it to be dicks. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/129 "2015-07-21T23:00:13Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I’ve been in this forum for thirteen years now, **BigT**. I know they will never, ever let me out while I’m alive. > > What I want is a view. I want a browser window where I can see a tweet, or even a Vine. I want to be on a different message board, far away from **DrDeth**. You’re only trapped until you actually come up with something funny. …which you have. Many times over. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/130 "2015-07-21T23:18:50Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > What’s to defend? It’s not actually a term anyone ever uses except to point out how similar it is to “nigger.” Either you’re making a joke about that, or you’re using it as a way to get by saying “nigger” without actually saying it. Likely both. Is it possible that some people have larger vocabularies than you and you’re just not that smart? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/131 "2015-07-21T23:23:39Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Is it possible that some people have larger vocabularies than you and you’re just not that smart? Don’t be such a thug about it, you cisgendered snob! ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/132 "2015-07-21T23:31:00Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > > [@BigT](#): > > > > What’s to defend? It’s not actually a term anyone ever uses except to point out how similar it is to “nigger.” Either you’re making a joke about that, or you’re using it as a way to get by saying “nigger” without actually saying it. Likely both. > > Is it possible that some people have larger vocabularies than you and you’re just not that smart? There is a reason he is called **BigTard** and it’s not in the ironic, [Tiny Lister](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lister,_Jr.) way. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/133 "2015-07-21T23:38:02Z")
Around 20 years ago I was the target of an attempted shaming over my stance on SSM. My mistake was supporting SSM. Apparently disagreeing with the local/state LBGT activist groups that were pushing a petition for a badly written partner benefits ballot initiative was the height of bigotry. How dare I take a different position on how to deal with the inequity when I am straight! I should just fall in to line and support them only and exactly how they demanded. I’ve also been told that discussing how we create gender neutral physical fitness standards, instead of the current gender normed standards, if we’re going to fully implement women in the combat arms was somehow biased. ISTR the word sexist wasn’t used but it was strongly implied. I wouldn’t describe either of those incidence as strictly political correctness. It struck me as a false dilemma fallacy applied on the top of treating everyone repectfully. I was not fully with their rigid thinking so I was fully against them. Still, I would have found a phrase like “PC run amok” as a clear and concise description that many would understand. Now that I’ve been corrected on that, what would be a better description that is still clear and concise? ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/134 "2015-07-21T23:48:11Z")
I want the option of giving ovumony in court. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/135 "2015-07-22T00:35:56Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > I want the option of giving ovumony in court. I think you should shoot for something that’s an easier reach than your ovaries. Monspubismony? Vulvamony? Labiamony? Pudendamony? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/136 "2015-07-22T00:41:05Z")
The OP is being niggardly in the attention he is paying to a certain question raised yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/137 "2015-07-22T00:50:25Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Pudendamony? Hey you! > [@](#): > > Origin of pudendum > > 1350-1400; Middle English \< Late Latin, special use of neuter of Latin pudendus, gerundive of pudēre to be ashamed Don’t try to be coy and pretend you weren’t deliberately using offensive speech. (And there’s vaginamony, but that term has been taken) ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/138 "2015-07-22T00:58:08Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > What’s to defend? It’s not actually a term anyone ever uses except to point out how similar it is to “nigger.” Either you’re making a joke about that, or you’re using it as a way to get by saying “nigger” without actually saying it. Likely both. > > It’s not as if it even covers a concept that we don’t already have several words for. Stingy, tightass, cheap, miserly, measly, scant, skimpy, pitiful… the list goes on. > > The point of using that term instead of those others is just to try and offend people. And doing something solely to offend people is exactly what political correctness is against. It’s not running amok, but working as intended. And even though the “picnic = pickaninny” connection has been debunked, we should now circumspectly dine “al fresco,” lest we offend. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/139 "2015-07-22T00:59:22Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Hey you! > > Don’t try to be coy and pretend you weren’t deliberately using offensive speech. Pudet. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671/140 "2015-07-22T02:15:48Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > The OP is being niggardly in the attention he is paying to a certain question raised yesterday. The OP has been a bit under the weather and is, alas, working. Also, the OP has no problem with the use of the word _niggardly_ as the OP, evidently, is one of those individuals with a larger vocabulary. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-you-whine-about-political-correctness-youre-a-bigot/725671.md?page=8)