if your votes cancel each other's out, should you go anyway?

I really like this idea. I think it’d be great to have a few years where our elected officials were chosen by people who still play dice-based Mechwarrior games, record store clerks, and troubled loners.

  1. Nobody “should” vote. You “get to” vote. Candidates tell their audiences that they should vote because the message is plausible and equates to “elect me”. But both sides can’t be right.

  2. Actually, let’s amend that. These days, it’s ethically incumbent upon us all to vote against Republicans. In fact, it’s incumbent upon the OP to make a no-voting agreement with her Republican boyfriend, and also with every other Republican she can find, and to still go vote, and donate heavily to whoever can best compete with Republicans. And dump the boyfriend too (after the election).

Wow, that was pretty inappropriate. I’m probably going to marry the boyfriend.

If you can’t be bothered to do any research, then I definately think you should just stay home.

Some years I keep track, some years I don’t, it depends on what is going on. Also depends on where I’m living and how long I’ve lived there. Just moved to that town? Probably don’t know enough to make an informed decision about how it’s run yet.

Anyway, thanks for the scolding tone, but I already said that I don’t vote on things I haven’t read up on.

She pretty clearly stated that she didn’t vote on those things she didn’t know about. I don’t either so go ahead and scold me while your at it.

Every single year my parents go vote together. She’s Democrat and he’s Republican.

Mom goes first then Dad. As Dad comes out of the booth he always announces “Don’t worry folks I’ve mitigated the damage and canceled out her vote.”

All these years and she still goes and votes with him :smiley:

Don’t do it! It’s a trap!

As soon as he’s sure you’re staying home, he’ll declare that he’s “just going out for some ice cream”, and next thing you know, he’s in line at the polls!

If you re voting because you think it will have an impact on the election and your vote is only meaningful in that way, then if there is a hypothetical cancelling out, don’t vote. However, if you vote for some other reason, as most people do (civic duty, pride, purpose, ego, whatever) then you should vote. In other words whether you vote or not in this case is pretty much the same reason as to whether you vote at all.

A lot of other important things get decided on Election Day other than who will be the next President. But you go ahead and decide not to go because you have to vote Democrat and your boyfriend has to vote Republican and you would therefore “cancel each other out”. Because that’s all that matters. There’s no possibility that you might both want to vote to build a new park or elementary school or something.

But you probably will never know about any of these things, because you can’t be bothered to research them beforehand.

I can’t believe the venom over “I don’t vote for things I’m not familiar with.”

Every election, there are thoroughly confusing local initiatives, such as “Allocation of Funds toward creating an ad-hoc panel to determine the feasibility of reassigning public park land maintenance subsidies.” Yea or Nay?

Sure, you can read up on them, but half the time, the initiatives are so embedded with legalese, and are of such a seemingly benign nature that only a handful of people really know much about them, or care. They’re procedural amendments placed on the ballot because some smartass who created the initial legislation the initiatives are meant to amend included a clause stating all changes can be made only through public initiative.

So if you can’t devote an hour or two to reading up on each of these procedural amendments, why vote for them?

Similarly, when there’s an election for the seats of three members of a five person Orphan’s Court panel, you usually can’t go by much more than the people’s listed party affiliations, because it’s such a small election on the overall ballot that the local newspaper might devote a paragraph to each candidate the day before the election, if you’re lucky. Why vote for one over another when you don’t know either from Dick?
ETA: Looks like it’s just one person condemning not researching who would serve as the better county-appointed Chief of Dog Catchers, and deciding that not being able to vote on every initiative is reason enough to not vote on any items:

So to answer my question to myself: yes, you completely didn’t read post #25, nor are you interested in anything other than sounding superior and condescending. Gotcha. Now I know how much attention to pay to future posts of yours.

Oh, I read it. You’re not going to stop voting. Fantastic. But you won’t vote on everything. That’s special.

WOW! Thanks for the civics lesson. Don’t let anyone fool you. You are the one that’s special.

I’m glad you think so. I think the same about anyone else who does their research and takes votes in everything they can.

No, Ashtar, that’s called being a responsible voter.

If you’ve done your homework on Presidential and Gubernatorial candidates, and you’ve made your picks for mayor, city council, school bonds, and Senate, then by golly you should go out and vote.

But if you didn’t research your local judge, then be responsible and don’t check a random box.

Get off your high horse.

I disagree. A responsible voter will research everything to make sure that the right thing happens in every situation they get to vote on. You disagree, and that’s fine. But I think it’s really silly to claim that one doesn’t have time to read about these things when they come to this board to read about pan fried semen and the different colors of various anuses around the world.

We’re not talking about the same thing, Lord Ashtar.

You’re saying that it’s irresponsible not to research all issues on the ballot and vote on them. That’s how I tend to treat voting. I read the full text of all initiatives, and the arguments for and against. I look at the candidates and decide who would be best. I must admit that there are some issues that I simply feel don’t affect me, and I let the people who are affected cast the votes there. In general, though, I agree that the best way to vote is to do your homework first.

I, on the other hand, am saying that it’s not a perfect world, and a large number of people (probably the majority) never research anything deeper than the top few candidates. I have met very few that read the text of initiatives or bond measures before voting on them. I am saying that the responsible thing for these people to do is not vote on the things they haven’t researched. If you vote by guessing, or picking the person with the best hair, you’re hurting the process, not helping.

Do you see the difference?

I research the ones that matter to me. If that makes me an OMG EVIL PERSON then tough titties. :smiley:

Tom Davis’ district, in which I will also be living for the next several weeks, includes a substantial chunk of heavily Democratic Northern Virginia and a large part of Republican rest of Virginia. Virtually all of Fairfax County and the surrounding counties is packed and cracked so that there are only 3 Democratic representatives out of 11, even though overall there were barely more than half Republican voters.

Oh, and Davis was reelected 55-44, so that, while still a significant margin, is certainly not insurmountable.