# If you're a Bernie supporter, are you willing to vote for Hillary? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 18, 2016, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070 "2016-05-18T09:36:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/41 "2016-05-20T02:14:47Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > The man has absolutely nothing to guide his decision making. Good analysis, but this is where I fear you are wrong. Eventually, not knowing what to do, Trump will start passing everything given to him by Ryan, et al. He will have no choice, really. ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/42 "2016-05-20T03:50:39Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Trump, schmrump. > > It will NEVER AGAIN be acceptable for the USA to have a Republican in the Oval Office. Never. > > So, it’s not merely a matter of needing to stop Trump specifically. It’s about a need to keep the Republican Party from the Presidency. This kind of hardline party thinking baffles me. Hillary Clinton is a Republican, but you’d support her just because she spells it “Democrat”? FWIW I’m a Bernie supporter who isn’t yet decided on how to vote in the general if Sanders doesn’t somehow pull of a miracle. It’ll be between a write-in for Bernie, a third party like Gary Johnson, or Donald Trump. I can’t imagine anything convincing me to vote for Hillary; if nothing else, I refuse to reward the DP’s corruption. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/43 "2016-05-20T03:52:46Z")
> [@Stealth\_Potato](#): > > FWIW I’m a Bernie supporter who isn’t yet decided on how to vote in the general if Sanders doesn’t somehow pull of a miracle. It’ll be between a write-in for Bernie, a third party like Gary Johnson, or Donald Trump. So, as a self-proclaimed Bernie supporter who’s considering voting for Trump, do you think that doing so will please Bernie and/or help his vision come to pass? Do you support the policies he does, or do you just want someone, anyone, to shake up the system in DC? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/44 "2016-05-20T04:18:49Z")
If Hillary Clinton was a Republican and represented the values of the party I’d be voting GOP. And **Stealth**? Buh bye then. ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/45 "2016-05-20T04:33:42Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > So, as a self-proclaimed Bernie supporter who’s considering voting for Trump, do you think that doing so will please Bernie and/or help his vision come to pass? Do you support the policies he does, or do you just want someone, anyone, to shake up the system in DC? Partly it’s policy; if I can’t vote for an anti-war candidate who wants universal single-payer and to hold Wall Street accountable, then I can at least still vote for someone who is against TPP and supports the second amendment. To be clear, though, I don’t like Trump’s platform as a whole. But I don’t like Clinton’s platform any better. So I have zero incentive to reward her for her corruption and tepid right-wing politics. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/46 "2016-05-20T05:09:07Z")
> [@Stealth\_Potato](#): > > Partly it’s policy; if I can’t vote for an anti-war candidate who wants universal single-payer and to hold Wall Street accountable, then I can at least still vote for someone who is against TPP and supports the second amendment. To be clear, though, I don’t like Trump’s platform as a whole. But I don’t like Clinton’s platform any better. So I have zero incentive to reward her for her corruption and tepid right-wing politics. Trump doesn’t have a platform. He just wants to hurt people. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/47 "2016-05-20T05:40:53Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Trump doesn’t have a platform. He just wants to hurt people. Clinton has _already_ hurt people. A hundred thousand people are dead because Clinton and people like her voted for the Iraq War. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/48 "2016-05-20T05:47:10Z")
I’m a Bernie supporter mostly so I don’t have to vote for her. I…no, sorry, personal character and judgment matter. She’s grubbed for whatever money she could, pimped the government to line her pockets, and chased the cash too hard for too long for me to trust her. I don’t like a Republican winning, but for me to vote for HRC, the other guy would probably have to be more terrifying than Trump seems to me to be. I thought I’d vote for her to stop Ted Cruz. (I voted on the 3rd line: “Maybe, to stop Trump. I won’t enjoy it, though.”) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/49 "2016-05-20T07:52:18Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Trump, schmrump. > > It will NEVER AGAIN be acceptable for the USA to have a Republican in the Oval Office. Never. > > So, it’s not merely a matter of needing to stop Trump specifically. It’s about a need to keep the Republican Party from the Presidency. > [@Stealth\_Potato](#): > > This kind of hardline party thinking baffles me. Hillary Clinton is a Republican, but you’d support her just because she spells it “Democrat”? Given the facts as they are, the only possible response to that is “I reject your premise.” ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/50 "2016-05-20T08:08:32Z")
Calling Hillary Clinton a Republican is laughable and ridiculous. It is interesting to me that many Bernie Bros seem to outright ignore or play down Hillary’s strengths as a progressive champion of women’s civil rights. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/51 "2016-05-20T08:12:54Z")
Well, I think many of them would concede that she wouldn’t outlaw gay marriage or dismantle Obamacare or put anti-abortion Supreme Court justices on the bench, but apparently, according to at least a few posts I’ve read, none of those issues are important. The only thing that’s important is that she’s taken money from Walmart, so she’s equally as corrupt as Trump and will do everything he does anyway. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/52 "2016-05-20T08:22:28Z")
Like you say “a few posts”. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/53 "2016-05-20T13:08:39Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > It is interesting to me that many Bernie Bros seem to outright ignore or play down Hillary’s strengths as a progressive champion of women’s civil rights. Her supporters in this forum have not served her well. Nobody has made a case for her that isn’t largely about attacking Sanders or his supporters (often for their negativism toward her). See if you can start a new thread that makes the positive case for her, without mentioning Sanders, or Trump, at all. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/54 "2016-05-20T13:17:00Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Well, I think many of them would concede that she wouldn’t outlaw gay marriage or dismantle Obamacare or put anti-abortion Supreme Court justices on the bench, but apparently, according to at least a few posts I’ve read, none of those issues are important. The only thing that’s important is that she’s taken money from Walmart, so she’s equally as corrupt as Trump and will do everything he does anyway. Quite true. But are you playing defense, or offense? Clinton is the defensive candidate. She’ll consolidate Obama’s gains and perhaps make small, incremental changes of her own. Given the increasingly radical nature of the GOP though, that can all be undone with one election and we’ll still have time to go back and undo some more of the Great Society while we’re at it. Sanders fans want to play offense. You can’t play offense without a little risk. The funny part is that Clinton herself represents risk even though she’s the mainstream candidate. Her negatives are sky high. Clinton supporters comfort themselves that Sanders’ superior poll numbers against Republicans are because he hasn’t been attacked by Republicans yet, while Clinton supposedly has been weathering their attacks for years and can’t be brought down any further. That belief is sorely mistaken. We’ve got plenty of relatively new stuff on her and her husband. If this election was Biden vs. Sanders, I could see playing it safe and going with Biden. But Clinton gives you all the risk of Sanders with none of the potential for big progressive gains. Beating Sanders’ movement is pretty important to my agenda. Thank you for working so hard to do it so I don’t have to. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/55 "2016-05-20T13:18:27Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > …Nobody has made a case for her that isn’t largely about attacking Sanders or his supporters (often for their negativism toward her). … as a foreign reader following this and reading through without any affiliation… this is not at all true. I have read many posts otherwise. The impression then must be from your own biases, it does not match an objective reality. it seems to me the partisans of each camp greatly exagerate, each side only seeing the slights against their side. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/56 "2016-05-20T13:27:02Z")
> [@Stealth\_Potato](#): > > This kind of hardline party thinking baffles me. Hillary Clinton is a Republican, but you’d support her just because she spells it “Democrat”? > > FWIW I’m a Bernie supporter who isn’t yet decided on how to vote in the general if Sanders doesn’t somehow pull of a miracle. It’ll be between a write-in for Bernie, a third party like Gary Johnson, or Donald Trump. I can’t imagine anything convincing me to vote for Hillary; if nothing else, I refuse to reward the DP’s corruption. To many Bernie supporters, anyone who doesn’t advocate pure Marxism–Leninism is a Republican. Fortunately, most are smart enough to realize that getting closer to your goal is better than missing it by miles and will choose the “Democrat” option. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/57 "2016-05-20T13:27:56Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > as a foreign reader following this and reading through without any affiliation… this is not at all true. I have read many posts otherwise. Possibly there are such posts buried in various threads. That I, an occasional and casual reader of Elections threads, don’t recall seeing them, suggests that they don’t anount to a strong show. That’s why I suggest a dedicated new thread, with these arguments copied, restated, expanded. It’s what I would do, if I believed in Hillary Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/58 "2016-05-20T13:34:07Z")
Or since I see you post in these threads with frequency, it is your views are screening your memory… They seem obvious enough to me casually following. Since I am neutral and not having a partisan engagement it seems to me the problem is the loud partisans on each of the sides are having very skewed memories… ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/59 "2016-05-20T13:56:36Z")
Trump has made it clear by now that when President he intends to appoint right-wing Scotus Justices, is now using militantly xenophobic foreign policy advisers and right-wing economics advisers. (I focus on his advisers since the man himself is so ignorant and inconsistent.) “Politico: Trump Picks Conservative Media Darlings Steve Moore And Larry Kudlow To Re-Write His Tax Reform Plan.” So Trump and Sanders both appeal to fringes, but they are diametrically opposed fringes. It’s baffling to hear from people who say “If not Sanders, then Trump.” :eek: > [@Stealth\_Potato](#): > > Partly it’s policy; if I can’t vote for an anti-war candidate who wants universal single-payer and to hold Wall Street accountable, then I can at least still vote for someone who is against TPP and _ **supports the second amendment** _. To be clear, though, I don’t like Trump’s platform as a whole. But I don’t like Clinton’s platform any better. So I have zero incentive to reward her for her corruption and tepid right-wing politics. [my emphasis] I should have guessed. This is America; of course it’s about Guns. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/60 "2016-05-20T13:56:48Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Or since I see you post in these threads with frequency, it is your views are screening your memory… They seem obvious enough to me casually following. Since I am neutral and not having a partisan engagement it seems to me the problem is the loud partisans on each of the sides are having very skewed memories… OK. I guess nobody can really deny the possibility of their own perspective being distorted. I’m surprised to be thought a partisan. I’m not affiliated with any party, and have said that I am open to persuasion, even looking for it. What would you say is the one current thread which makes the best positive case for Hillary Clinton, not relative to this or that opponent, but in her own right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070.md?page=4)