# If you're a Bernie supporter, are you willing to vote for Hillary? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 18, 2016, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070 "2016-05-18T09:36:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 120
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070/120 "2016-05-23T22:57:47Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > You know the opinions of historians you read in books who often widely vary among themselves. I lived it. I really don’t care whether you believe it or not, but there’s a gulf of difference. Yes and when historians disagree, the response should be to present the contrast evidence and weigh them. Instead you just “I lived through it, so take my word for it”. And of course, “people who live through” an event have disagreeing interpretations-go ask Michael Dukakis about Bush Sr. > [@](#): > > Please overstate some more your apparent contention that I attributed every facet of planning to Bush himself. However, in case you forgot, it was he who appointed them. Meanwhile Dubyah and his ‘handpicked’ cronies involved us needlessly in an extremely costly war with no endgame, for no good reason. And what I’m saying is that whatever Bush did including who he appointed had very little to do with American victory in Desert Storm as opposed to underlying structural factors that gave us overwhelming superiority in conventional warfare. Hell, the Iraq War of 2003 demonstrates this pretty well-we wiped the floor with Hussein’s army in a matter of weeks, it was the subsequent occupation that was the problem. As I pointed out then, there was lots of continuity between Bush 41 and Bush 43 national security appointees. Most obviously Dick Cheney was Secretary of Defence under Bush 41 and then Vice President under his son. Secretary of State James Baker under Bush 41 continued to advise Bush 43 on Iraq War related matters. Condolezza Rice who would go on to become National Security Advisor and then Secretary of State for George W. Bush, [started out](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice#Early_political_career) as Director of Soviet and Eastern European Affairs as well as Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. Leading Iraq War advocate [Paul Wolfowitz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz#Undersecretary_of_Defense_for_Policy) served as Undersecretary of Defense for Policy under Bush 41. Need I go on? > [@](#): > > Last answer. I’m rapidly losing patience with wriggly responses. Even when I was a Republican, I was a moderate. I’ve never been in step with the religious right or any of their BS. Atheist, remember? I never said anything about your beliefs. I said simply that the same Republican base that supported Trump also by and large supported Bush Sr. in 1988 and 1992. > [@](#): > > That was also 25 years ago, longer than you’ve been alive. Beliefs can (horrors!) change in that time. Now go find somebody else to throw mud at. It ain’t sticking. I wouldn’t care if you simply were an ex-Republican since I was too. However, you continue to defend conservative Republican Presidents like George HW Bush. Plus as you yourself said: > [@Question for Republicans: If Trump wins the Nomination...](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-for-republicans-if-trump-wins-the-nomination/739332/260): > > Whether or not you agree with all of the policies of your party, you are tacitly approving of them by associating yourself with them. And there are, to my view, some _very_ backward and anti-democratic (little ‘d’) policies included in that ideology. > > My comment was exaggerated for comic effect. I don’t paint every Republican with the same brush, but I also don’t absolve you of responsibility for the more irrational views of your party-mates as long as you vote with them, whatever you think of them. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-a-bernie-supporter-are-you-willing-to-vote-for-hillary/755070)._