# If you're serious about saving Enterprise... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 29, 2004, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696 "2004-02-29T02:09:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![dal\_timgar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@dal\_timgar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dal_timgar)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2004, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/21 "2004-03-09T22:19:33Z")
I’ve taped the various STAR TREKs for years to keep them. ENTERPRISE is worse than VOYAGER and STAR TREK '66. They used the Borg and Ferengi even tho they didn’t appear until TNG. STAR TREK is played out. It will live on in reruns forever. Let it go at that. BABYLON 5 was better anyway. Dal Timgar > [@NoClueBoy](#): > > [Vote _Enterprise_](http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Archive2004/040227_poll.html) > > [Sign petition](http://www.petitiononline.com/saveent/petition.html) > > Fans should write letters to Eric Kim, Director of Programming at UPN. > Direct letters, faxes, e-mail, what have you, to Mr Kim. > > Write – and pass it on. > > Here is the contact info: > > UPN phone: 310 575 7000; fax 310 575 7210 > UPN emails go like this: first name\_last [name@upn.com](mailto:name@upn.com) > Email Eric: [eric\_kim@upn.com](mailto:eric_kim@upn.com) > > Snail mail: > > Eric Kim (you can also write to president Dawn Ostroff) > United Paramount Network > 11800 Wilshire Boulevard > Los Angeles, CA 90025 > > More addresses: > > [leslie.moonves@tvc.cbs.com](mailto:leslie.moonves@tvc.cbs.com) > > [Garry\_Hart@paramount.com](mailto:Garry_Hart@paramount.com) > All of this is public domain, I am not violating anyone’s privacy. > **VivaLosTwages** will be by soon to post more contact information. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2004, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/22 "2004-03-09T22:32:15Z")
> [@dal\_timgar](#): > > I’ve taped the various STAR TREKs for years to keep them. ENTERPRISE is worse than VOYAGER and STAR TREK '66. > > They used the Borg and Ferengi even tho they didn’t appear until TNG. > > STAR TREK is played out. It will live on in reruns forever. Let it go at that. > > BABYLON 5 was better anyway. > > Dal Timgar **READ THE THREAD RULES, PEOPLE!** [sarcasm]thank you for your comments[/sarcasm] :rolleyes: This is a fan thread only. For one very specific purpose. Negative comments can go in your own damn thread. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2004, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/23 "2004-03-09T23:04:49Z")
To be fair to all, and to make it easier for Pakleds who don’t read with comprehension, [post negative comments here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=244075) ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2004, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/24 "2004-03-09T23:50:17Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > and I, **NoClueBoy** , Who? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2004, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/25 "2004-03-09T23:56:41Z")
When ever you mock me, I kill a kitten. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2004, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/26 "2004-03-10T00:00:09Z")
I never realized that _felinus domesticus_ were an endangered species. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2004, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/27 "2004-03-10T00:08:50Z")
[http://www.deutsch.foxgardens.de/assets/images/autogen/a\_Data\_und\_Spot.jpg](http://www.deutsch.foxgardens.de/assets/images/autogen/a_Data_und_Spot.jpg) Run, SPOT, RUN!!! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2004, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/28 "2004-03-10T00:20:08Z")
I see your Spot and raise you [Porthos](http://home.comcast.net/~deevolvedpaul/Enterprise_Patch.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2004, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/29 "2004-03-10T00:28:02Z")
Which is why we need to [save Enterprise!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=242363) ---
**Author:** ![Skillet38](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Skillet38](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skillet38)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2004, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/30 "2004-03-10T03:16:21Z")
I like the show and all, but there’s not enough panda for me… if it gets cancelled maybe Jolene can go into naughty films or such… sorry that me sentences keep ending in … so much potential. I’ll watch till I stop I suppose… ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2004, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/31 "2004-03-10T03:56:05Z")
To **SUPPORT** the show (\*ahem), click on the links posted in this thread. If you are not interested in supporting the show, GO FIND ANOTHER THREAD. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2004, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/32 "2004-03-10T04:28:15Z")
There are legimate issues many of us have with ENT. Please post them in my complaints thread. According the correspondence I’ve had with certain UPN and Trek people, the most good, the heaviest weight, the most easily pointed to show of support is actual letters (snail mail) to UPN and ENT sponsors. The above sites have real life addresses for these people. So, like the thread title states, _if you’re serious_ about this cause, it requires some work. And a show of support is needed for those who are already working hard. In these letters, mention that you watch the eps _as they air_, so the commercials are indeed being seen. Mention your purchases of DVDs, fan merchandise, movie tickets of past shows, etc… Acknowledge that the sponsors of the show are appreciated and, if writing to a sponsor, mention a specific product or ad. It worked during the 60s. It might work now. But we won’t know if no one tries. If you don’t like the show, fine. That’s your choice. And you won’t need to worry or bother with this. For you fans, though… You hard core Trekkers, Trekkies, and Nanites of all ages, let’s get going! ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/33 "2004-03-12T18:27:12Z")
Here is a copied and pasted message from an ENT Project email, RE: a suggested boycott of UPN. 1. Not many people are watching UPN anyway. 🙂 Yes, they did do better in this last rating period but I suspect they’ll find a way to credit America’s Top Model and blame Enterprise for something. 2. If UPN cancels Enterprise, they are saying, effectively, that they don’t want you (the Sci-Fi fan) to watch them! How many genre programs have they gone through in the past few years? What happened to the promise to keep Jake 2.0 on through the entire season? My guess, and humble opinion, is that UPN doesn’t want the Star Trek fan anymore. Here is my suggestion to you if you want to write to Mr. Moonves about a boycott in your Thursday letter. Promise him that if he does not find a way to have Enterprise on the air next season, you will make it your life’s mission to avoid every Viacom owned TV station and all merchandise associated with Viacom programming, and will encourage friends and family to do the same. That means: no CBS, MTV, VH1, BET, Nickeleodon (spelling?), TV Land, GAS, the Noggin, etc. You’ll cancel your subscription to Showtime. You’ll refuse to buy your kids any SpongeBob or Dora the Explorer merchandise, and so on. ---
**Author:** ![mrklutz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ebca7d/32.png) [@mrklutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrklutz)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/34 "2004-03-12T19:38:09Z")
This is a bit tangential, but I don’t think it’s a complete hijack. If it’s too far off-topic, I apologize. Do letter-writing campaigns like this work? Are there examples of shows that have been saved by such campaigns? Most of the tactics laid out here seem sound: set a positive tone, mention the revenue they will gain from you by continuing the show, etc. But I can’t help but wonder if networks are sometimes swayed by vocal fans, or if they rely solely on ratings and ad revenue. ---
**Author:** ![Dogface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@Dogface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogface)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/35 "2004-03-12T21:10:06Z")
> [@mrklutz](#): > > Do letter-writing campaigns like this work? Are there examples of shows that have been saved by such campaigns? _The Waltons_ and maybe a few others. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/36 "2004-03-12T23:02:19Z")
Don’t forget the letter campaign for the original Star Trek (1966-1969). It was going to be cancled after Season II. A huge letter writing campaign got it a 3rd season. The next campaign failed to secure any more seasons. Coincidence? Maybe. Or maybe the first one worked. ---
**Author:** ![Lobelia\_Overhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/54ee81/32.png) [@Lobelia\_Overhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobelia_Overhill)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/37 "2004-03-13T01:00:35Z")
well I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who likes the show … 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/38 "2004-03-13T05:26:08Z")
I’m sorry but this horse has been beat far too long after its death. Let This terrible incarnation die. I’ve tried to like the last two series but the the kettle’s empty and the steam is gone. Give Trek a nice ten to fifteen year hiatus and then see if it can be resurected properly. Enterprise is just a bad show. For every good episode there is a whole season of garabge. The character arcs are poor and the story lines really go where all have gone before. Please forget there is a Star Trek in front of the title and turn off your sets. We have three pretty good seires and a handful of movies to still enjoy. Keep Trek alive outside the TV field and be patient for someone new to come along to revitalize a brutalized franchize. Hell if they can bring back Battlestar Galactica anything is possible. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/39 "2004-03-13T05:37:26Z")
God damn it, people. _ **Read the posts before posting to a thread** _. > [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Okay, I guess I need to post rules: > > This a thread dedicated to the saving of this series. Put your negative comments in your own thread. > [@Aesiron](#): > > Look, **we _like_** Enterprise and just because \*\*you \*\* do not, that doesn’t mean you have to shit on it and its fans in a thread dedicated to trying to save it. If you want. start your own thread trashing Enterprise and I’m sure **NCB** , **viva** , I, and the other fans that enjoy the series will try to give it a wide berth. Try showing us the same respect, okay? > [@NoClueBoy](#): > > This thread is a fan thread only. Put any negative comments in your own, please. > [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Remember the rules for this thread. It is a fan thread. By and for fans on Star Trek: Enterprise. Do not reply if all you are going to do is post negative comments. > [@NoClueBoy](#): > > **READ THE THREAD RULES, PEOPLE!** > > [sarcasm]thank you for your comments[/sarcasm] > > This is a fan thread only. For one very specific purpose. > Negative comments can go in your own damn thread. > [@NoClueBoy](#): > > To be fair to all, and to make it easier for Pakleds who don’t read with comprehension, [post negative comments here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=244075). > [@vivalostwages](#): > > To \*\*SUPPORT \*\* the show (\*ahem), click on the links posted in this thread. > > If you are not interested in supporting the show, GO FIND ANOTHER THREAD > [@NoClueBoy](#): > > There are legimate issues many of us have with ENT. Please post them in my complaints thread. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696/40 "2004-03-13T06:15:17Z")
RE: letter writing campaigns…Yes, they have worked in the past. And it’s easier to keep a show going while it’s still in production than to try to jump start it once it’s gotten the ax. That’s why the ENT Project started a year ago. It’s hard dealing with people like Moonves, who looks at the money and the numbers rather than at anything else. It’s a rough ride with UPN, which has not gotten behind the show to support and really promote it. But we’re in this to the bitter end. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-serious-about-saving-enterprise/231696.md?page=3)