# If you're white and all you can think about is how good blacks have it, you're an idiot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 6, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048 "2009-07-06T04:26:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/221 "2009-07-12T20:32:32Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Oh, I haven’t left, dear. Poor ashman was getting in the middle of something he didn’t understand, and I thought he should be warned not to stick his hand in the crazy. I considered it a public service. Then, I decided to take my own advice, because you are crazy, and not worth engaging with, because it’s futile and only eggs you on. monstro and I obviously concur on your treatment of her, so no, I wasn’t lying, but I don’t have to defend myself against slurs from you. You have no credibility. You’re not doing yourself any favors, but I’m really done playing around with you in this particular thread. Have at it, since I know you can’t help yourself. The accusations of lying is what kills me. Something about that makes me think of that thing religious people like to say. “The devil is a liar”. In my twisted mind\*, if you’re accused of lying, you’re accused of being of the devil. It does egg you on, 'cuz who wants to be of the devil? I don’t like to use crazy liberally, but yeah, it sure seems like crazy to me. And that makes me sad for her, to be honest (guess I’m not such a heartless person after all). She’s actually a very good-looking, smart, helpful, and interesting person. I just wish her posts could reflect that instead of the negative and unattractive quirks that this board brings out in her. \*The product of having been raised in a Pentacostal household.. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/222 "2009-07-12T20:39:36Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > The accusations of lying is what kills me. Something about that makes me think of that thing religious people like to say. “The devil is a liar”. In my twisted mind\*, if you’re accused of lying, you’re accused of being of the devil. It does egg you on, 'cuz who wants to be of the devil? Upon reviewing the thread, she seems to think that I somehow induced you to bring up her questioning my credentials. I wrote you a PM, but it said your mailbox was full, so I couldn’t send it. The upshot being, I didn’t remember that you defended me, and that’s why you and she went negative, so I really don’t think that I in any way influenced you to bring that up. It wasn’t even on my mind when I commented on her treatment of you in this thread. But I guess I should thank you for sticking up for me, even though early onset senility prevents me from remembering that particular scenario. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/223 "2009-07-12T20:53:55Z")
I’ll clean out my PM box. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![ashman165](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@ashman165](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ashman165)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/224 "2009-07-12T20:55:37Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Upon reviewing the thread, she seems to think that I somehow induced you to bring up her questioning my credentials. I wrote you a PM, but it said your mailbox was full, so I couldn’t send it. The upshot being, I didn’t remember that you defended me, and that’s why you and she went negative, so I really don’t think that I in any way influenced you to bring that up. It wasn’t even on my mind when I commented on her treatment of you in this thread. But I guess I should thank you for sticking up for me, even though early onset senility prevents me from remembering that particular scenario. Is this why you haven’t mailed me that fifty bucks I loaned you that one day, for that thing you needed it for? ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/225 "2009-07-13T03:36:11Z")
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, no cites for mean old **Zoe** saying negative or critical things to **Monstro** prior to this thread. That doesn’t say much for Rubystreak’s tale. And **Monstro** seems confused. I wonder whatever would make me think that **Rubystreak** and **Monstro** were PM friends! Isn’t it funny how I could guess that without its being mentioned! What a hoot! And now **Rubystreak** is also bringing up “the subject” again. It bothers **Monstro** so **Monstro** brings it up. It annoys **Rubystreak** and so **Rubystreak** brings it up. Strange behavior indeed. **Monstro** now wants to play the religious “devil” card just as she played the race card earlier. Since I have made it clear in earlier threads that I don’t believe in the devil, I can hardly be calling her the devil now. **Monstro** , you are much more impulsive in the way you handle arguments and anger than I have ever dreamed. There is a therapy would be very helpful to you, I think. It focuses on problems as they arise in your life today. It doesn’t focus so much on what may have gone wrong in the past. It’s about learning what’s fair for you and fair for others. It’s called Cogitive Behavior Therapy. I think that you might find it helpful. A lot of people at Straight Dope have. I won’t carry this anger for long, **Monstro**. But the friendship is broken. Ask yourself why you are being used by certain others. Some of your friends here you can trust in the long run. Some you can’t. You know which ones. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/226 "2009-07-13T03:41:05Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Meanwhile, back at the ranch, no cites for mean old **Zoe** saying negative or critical things to **Monstro** prior to this thread. That doesn’t say much for Rubystreak’s tale. And **Monstro** seems confused. The “one drop of blood” thread. That was enough nasty for one lifetime, unless of course it’s your lifetime, it seems. > [@](#): > > I wonder whatever would make me think that **Rubystreak** and **Monstro** were PM friends! Isn’t it funny how I could guess that without its being mentioned! What a hoot! We aren’t. This was my first ever PM to monstro. So much for THAT theory, Girl Detective. > [@](#): > > And now **Rubystreak** is also bringing up “the subject” again. It bothers **Monstro** so **Monstro** brings it up. It annoys **Rubystreak** and so **Rubystreak** brings it up. Strange behavior indeed. What “subject” are you talking about? I never brought up the issue of you questioning my credentials. I had no idea that you and monstro had a falling out over that issue. I thought your friendship hit the rocks over your full-tilt looney performance in the one drop thread. This is all news to me. Don’t expect you to believe that, don’t care if you do. But read over the thread and you’ll see that I never brought it up. > [@](#): > > I won’t carry this anger for long, **Monstro**. But the friendship is broken. Ask yourself why you are being used by certain others. Some of your friends here you can trust in the long run. Some you can’t. You know which ones. You are a fucking nutcase. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/227 "2009-07-13T03:42:02Z")
Have you considered seeking help yourself, Zoe? Because as someone who doesn’t have any special relationship with any of you, you’re the one who comes off far and away the craziest, using the “obsessive, delusional, projecting your own issues, no sense of perspective, unable to see that no one else gives a shit” version of crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/228 "2009-07-13T04:50:49Z")
Ha! You must be new here, Diana. You also haven’t read all of the thread. The information that you are asking about has been posted for your reading pleasure. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/229 "2009-07-13T04:56:37Z")
I’ve been here for years. I didn’t say that I’m not familiar with any of you, I said that I don’t have any special relationship with any of you. I’ve read the thread, and I remember the Rubystreak dustup. My impression is that you’re crazy, and/or just lead a sadly empty life. Please note that these are not mutually exclusive conditions. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/230 "2009-07-13T04:59:21Z")
I think Zoe is saying, Diana, that she has already stated in this thread that she has sought professional help. That doesn’t mean she isn’t hairy nut lickin’ crazy, but she did indeed seek help for it. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/231 "2009-07-13T05:02:58Z")
Ah, then that I did indeed miss somehow, my apologies. ---
**Author:** ![supergoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@supergoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supergoose)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/232 "2009-07-13T05:10:25Z")
Well I have read the whole thread, **Zoe** , and I concur with \*\*Rubystreak \*\*and **DianaG**. You’re coming off as having a few screws loose, or at the very least, as having an enormous grudge against **monstro** , whose posts have been among, if not the, most intelligent and thoughtful posts in this whole thread. And I am \*not \*PM friends with **monstro** , before you cast away my opinion as being favoritism. I don’t think she and I have even interacted directly in any form. Not that \*\*monstro \*_needs backing up or affirmation. Frankly, **Zoe** , I’m hoping you’ll be prompted by a complete stranger coming in and thirding the crazy consensus to at least consider the possibility that you need help_ or at the very least that your perspective is skewed. Not holding my breath on that one, though. \*Edit: continuing or additional help ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/233 "2009-07-13T05:22:48Z")
> [@](#): > > **Rubystreak** : What “subject” are you talking about? I never brought up the issue of you(sic) questioning my credentials. See your own Post #222. (That is what is called providing a cite.) **Diana** , no apology needed. I’ve made it a point of talking about my mental illness for the last seven years. I was diagnosed over forty years ago. **Monstro** and I have the same diagnosis. The medication that I take has served me well for the last twenty years, but I can get angry like every one else. I rent out for Halloween parties. Cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/234 "2009-07-13T05:27:56Z")
Dear **Supergoose** , see above. Round 'em up, **Rubystreak**! Yee Haw! ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/235 "2009-07-13T05:30:56Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > See your own Post #222. (That is what is called providing a cite.) I’m going to lay it out for you very slowly and carefully, to be sure you comprehend it fully. I was responding to monstro’s [post #216](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11331843&postcount=216), wherein she corrected me when I said I thought your falling out with her was over your behavior in the one drop thread. She said that no, actually, you had reconciled after that; in fact, your friendship was on the rocks because you got angry at her because she voiced the opinion that she disapproved of how you treated me. I had no idea you went after her about that, because I’m guessing that conversation must have gone on-- wait for it-- in private, over PM! So no, I did not bring up the issue of my credentials, as I had no idea it was relevant to this discussion. monstro did. And THAT is what is called “telling the truth, not making up crazy, paranoid scenarios wherein you are the victim in spite of all evidence to the contrary.” You might like to try it out. PS-- what am I supposed to be “roundng up”? Do you think I am paying people like DianaG and supergoose to agree with me about you? Might it not be the fact that your craziness and irrationality are on full display, and they just happen to see it too? No, rather than engage in self-reflection for personal betterment, better to think I’m the ringleader of some anti-Zoe conspiracy, no doubt being conducted over PM RIGHT NOW!!!11!! ---
**Author:** ![ashman165](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@ashman165](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ashman165)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/236 "2009-07-13T06:18:42Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Ha! You must be new here, Diana. You also haven’t read all of the thread. The information that you are asking about has been posted for your reading pleasure. Now, as our intrepid readers here might note, there was a to-do over my having made a gentle correction of **Monstro** for having written something and then saying something different, and denying having said it. As, I’m sure, most of you know, sometimes we say things with one meaning without respect for what the words literally mean. So, when we respond “I didn’t say that” it should usually be read “I didn’t mean that, though my words actually said it.” Now that catches us up to my part. Before I said something, **Zoe** was taking to task **Monstro** for some purported ability to read minds or whatever. Now it would seem, that it’s convenient to her argument, **Zoe** has acquired this ability to psychically know things. You don’t know what **Diana** has read as she hasn’t specifically said as much. If you’re not going to allow such common statements to go unchecked in others, then you better fucking edit your goddamn shit. Got it, sister? **Ruby** , um, you still haven’t mailed me that $50 I loaned that one day for that stuff at the place. /cry _unrelated to anti-Zoe conspiracy dues, btw_ ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/237 "2009-07-13T13:54:38Z")
Wait. I thought I was the leader of the anti-Zoe cabal? Christ, you miss a few days and your ass gets deposed. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/238 "2009-07-13T16:29:55Z")
**ashman** , preach it Brother! You are right! She read the thread, but missed the words. See Diana’s apology post. I think it’s #231. Anyone can miss part of a thread. Especially one talking about how they are crazy. **Rubystreak** , Monstro brought the subject up first and then you brought it up yourself. > [@](#): > > **Rubystreak** I’m guessing that conversation must have gone on-- wait for it-- in private, over PM! **Rubystreak** , I don’t give you a second thought until you show up in a thread that I’m in and start bringing up my name and doing your Bride of Chucky routine. I don’t even dislike you enough to think about you. **Monstro** and I never had harsh words in PM _ever_. She said nothing unkind to me or I to her. The last PM that I sent to her was after my pitting and I told her someone had stolen her password and was posting terrible things about me using her name. (I’m paraphrasing.) Of course, I was reasonably certain that she was posting herself. The PM was meant to break the ice. But she didn’t respond. **Monstro** , is what I say the truth? So, **Rubystreak** , all of your claims about me have been based on what you guessed was in my private mail. Yet you claimed that they were true. That is by your own admission. It’s gonna start taking you two trips to haul ass, missy. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/239 "2009-07-13T17:02:32Z")
> [@](#): > > **jsgoddess** : Wait. I thought I was the leader of the anti-Zoe cabal? This is true. Damn. What are we gonna do? Does anybody have a pack of hyennas? ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/240 "2009-07-13T17:54:09Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > **Rubystreak** , Monstro brought the subject up first and then you brought it up yourself. Stop and think a minute about what the phrase “bringing something up” means. I did not bring it up. How could I if I didn’t know about it? When monstro brought it up, I responded to her. I, in no way, brought it up. Is that clear? > [@](#): > > **Rubystreak** , I don’t give you a second thought until you show up in a thread that I’m in and start bringing up my name and doing your Bride of Chucky routine. I don’t even dislike you enough to think about you. I was posting in this thread on a topic that had nothing to do with you, but then I saw you picking on monstro. Whenever I see you doing that to someone, it makes me angry. I don’t know how you get away with it. I figured ashman deserved to know what he was involving himself in. That is the extent of my interaction with you in this thread, until you decided to make this all about you, as is your MO. > [@](#): > > So, **Rubystreak** , all of your claims about me have been based on what you guessed was in my private mail. Yet you claimed that they were true. That is by your own admission. “All of my claims about you” couldn’t be covered in this thread. Fenris did a nice job of covering it [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=512206), in a thread you were too cowardly to participate in. In this particular instance, monstro said that you and she had a falling out over something she said about your treatment of me that you took issue with. I heard that from MONSTRO, not by guessing. My only guess was that the issue between you and her took place in private, since I was not privy to it and this was the first I was hearing of it. She seems to think that you are picking on her and holding a grudge. Other posters who don’t know either of us have concurred that it really seems like you have a grudge and are needling her. So where do you find any lies coming from me? There aren’t any, but since you need to vilify anyone who disagrees with you, you have to call it a lie. Why don’t you just stop and reflect a minute on why so many people, not just awful, horrible old me, think that you are behaving inappropriately? I assure you none of them are personal friends of mine, and some of them don’t even like me. Yet they all think you are treating monstro badly, and acting crazy towards me. Is it even possible for you to step away from this and examine your own behavior? Or is this thread destined to be another trainwreck with your name on it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048.md?page=13)