# If you're white and all you can think about is how good blacks have it, you're an idiot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 6, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048 "2009-07-06T04:26:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/101 "2009-07-07T13:38:30Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > i agree with villa’s sentiment that slaveholding hurts the slaveholder in addition to the slave. That wasn’t my assertion, you ass. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/102 "2009-07-07T14:20:06Z")
> [@villa](#): > > That wasn’t my assertion, you ass. Ok, well I’m asserting it then, you stupid motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/103 "2009-07-07T14:22:28Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > Monstro- you do understand what “private” means? That apparently I’m not supposed to mention that I’ve received a private message from someone? That’s a new one to me. Is that in the board by-laws or something? Must have missed that memo. > [@Rand Rover](#): > > Just like monstro’s ancestors (in the broad sense) were slaves, mine were slaveholders, so she’s harmed by the taint of enslavement and I’m harmed by the taint of slaveholding. If you got from my earlier post that I’m _harmed_, you need to go back and reread what I wrote. Because that wasn’t my point AT ALL. And for the record, I have both slave and slaveholder in my blood and I don’t feel nary a conflict about it. Because I wasn’t a slave, nor was I a slaveholder. I don’t feel victimized, nor do I feel guilt. But I do see that I live in a society where many suffer from cognitive dissonance–a society where it’s alright to treat slavery as an abstract, far-away, horrible thing, but then also treat that abstract,far-away, horrible thing as something that didn’t leave a lasting impact on contemporary society. Apparently you’re playing the victim card if you say something as noncontroversial as this, but I guess that’s what I get for being angry, militant, chip-on-her-shoulder **monstro**. People misread what you wrote because they don’t want to believe you actually have a good head on your shoulders and that you aren’t actually angry, militant, or possessing a chip on your shoulder. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/104 "2009-07-07T14:29:32Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Re: my comment about me being harmed as much as monstro–i agree with villa’s sentiment that slaveholding hurts the slaveholder in addition to the slave. That is, treating another person as property involves a level of cognitive dissonance and cruelty that is bad for the psyche. Just like monstro’s ancestors (in the broad sense) were slaves, mine were slaveholders, so she’s harmed by the taint of enslavement and I’m harmed by the taint of slaveholding. Would you like a hug? ---
**Author:** ![Philster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Philster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philster)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/105 "2009-07-07T14:44:13Z")
I’ll concede, it **is** more rewarding to be white. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/106 "2009-07-07T15:12:20Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Re: my comment about me being harmed as much as monstro–i agree with villa’s sentiment that slaveholding hurts the slaveholder in addition to the slave. That is, treating another person as property involves a level of cognitive dissonance and cruelty that is bad for the psyche. Just like monstro’s ancestors (in the broad sense) were slaves, mine were slaveholders, so she’s harmed by the taint of enslavement and I’m harmed by the taint of slaveholding. I’m harmed by being of the same species as a pathetic imbecile like you, but I’m not sure what that has to do with the price of beans. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/107 "2009-07-07T15:15:48Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Ok, well I’m asserting it then, you stupid motherfucker. Fuck it, I’m asserting it too. I’m asserting it too. I think it has left a huge residual blanket on both black and white descendents. People speak of the indignities of slavery but I don’t think they realize that behaving like savages that would be uncivilized enough to treat humans like animals is the most undignified thing I can think of. If there are white people today (and there are) being treated as if they themselves did the slavin’, then they are being harmed. Particularly if they are carrying white guilt, and I know white people that admit outright that they are. Monstro, you may have angry militant emotions, but that is o fucking k. Don’t even bother. If someone on this board has to be dismissed as an emotional basket case on race issues, let it be me. Because when you lay your shit down, you do it with precision; backed up with fact and the kind of knowledge that comes from a woman that has actually educated herself to the point of communicating with sharp and beautiful logic that makes idiots look like the morons they are. And you still manage to get my fist in the air. So lean back and enjoy your vacation. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/108 "2009-07-07T15:19:21Z")
**monstro** is a girl? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/109 "2009-07-07T15:47:33Z")
Vajayjay and all. ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/110 "2009-07-07T15:56:09Z")
See why I don’t do these conversations on this board anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/111 "2009-07-07T16:30:20Z")
Because your vajayjay is purely theoretical in an online setting? ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/112 "2009-07-07T17:24:48Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > **monstro** is a girl? She’s hot, too! And I think I’ve never seen her post something that wasn’t intelligent, on point, and well presented. (Yes, maybe I do have a bit of a Doper crush. What of it? 😛 ) Anyway, _illegitimi non carborundum,_ **monstro**. Your posts always make me think, and I appreciate them. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/113 "2009-07-07T17:37:33Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > She’s hot, too! > > And I think I’ve never seen her post something that wasn’t intelligent, on point, and well presented. > > (Yes, maybe I do have a bit of a Doper crush. What of it? 😛 ) > > Anyway, _illegitimi non carborundum,_ **monstro**. Your posts always make me think, and I appreciate them. Stop making me blush. You too, **Nzinga**. I ain’t all that. I’m just another fool with a computer. (And see, if I was intelligent I would know what _illegitimi non carborundum_ means.) > [@Hippy Hollow](#): > > See why I don’t do these conversations on this board anymore? I know the frustration, but to me it’s like playing a video game. I hate video games in general, but sometimes they can help the time go by. I really wish you would “do” these conversations, though. You’re much more eloquent than I am, and it sucks when the topic is about black people and there’s only one of us who cares enough to put up a rebuttal to the stupidity. Lately I haven’t been caring, but today I’m kind of bored. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/114 "2009-07-07T17:45:05Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Stop making me blush. You too, **Nzinga**. I ain’t all that. I’m just another fool with a computer. > > (And see, if I was intelligent I would know what _illegitimi non carborundum_ means. [“Don’t let the bastards grind you down.”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegitimi_non_carborundum) I bet you’re really cute when you blush. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/115 "2009-07-07T17:45:49Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I’m just another fool with a computer. I can vouch for that. ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/116 "2009-07-07T17:51:18Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I really wish you would “do” these conversations, though. You’re much more eloquent than I am, and it sucks when the topic is about black people and there’s only one of us who cares enough to put up a rebuttal to the stupidity. Lately I haven’t been caring, but today I’m kind of bored. Wow, thanks **monstro** , though I think you’re far more eloquent than me. (Blushing like how Black dudes do.) I will jump in a little later, right now I have hankies out watching Lionel sing a song for Michael… 🙂 **ywtf** , you are crazy. Crazy funny, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/117 "2009-07-07T18:04:55Z")
Is there a reason the OP hasn’t come back to explain anything? Is that some sort of black thing? ---
**Author:** ![ashman165](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@ashman165](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ashman165)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/118 "2009-07-07T18:10:44Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Is there a reason the OP hasn’t come back to explain anything? Is that some sort of black thing? Perhaps his/her catharsis was complete and s/he no longer feels the need to vent in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/119 "2009-07-07T18:21:36Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Is there a reason the OP hasn’t come back to explain anything? Is that some sort of black thing? That’s funny, because the OP is white. Jackass. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2009, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048/120 "2009-07-07T18:26:16Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I really wish you would “do” these conversations, though. You’re much more eloquent than I am, and it sucks when the topic is about black people and there’s only one of us who cares enough to put up a rebuttal to the stupidity. Lately I haven’t been caring, but today I’m kind of bored. Sorry to break up the monstro love fest, but if you think you are rebutting stupidity, you’re doing it wrong. Claiming that the US promised to pay reparations qualifies as advancing stupidity, not rebutting it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-youre-white-and-all-you-can-think-about-is-how-good-blacks-have-it-youre-an-idiot/502048.md?page=7)